>Bertvan:
>The Darwinists are the ones who claim to know for certain that intelligence/
>mind/motivation/free will/Teleology play no important part in natures
>processes.
You keep asserting this in spite of the fact that you have been shown over
and over again that science merely says that *if* anything on that list
above causes evolution, it is not detectible by science. *You* have
interpreted that to mean that "Darwinists" are making such a claim.
>As a result they have ended up with a theory that most people
>don't find credible, but no one can think of an alternative.
I think you are quite wrong about "most people." Creationists don't find it
credible. People who know nothing about biology, anthropology, geology,
physics, cosmology or paleontology don't find it credible. People who
examine the actual evidence are, more often than not, convinced that
evolution occured. The bugbear about "materialism" is just a bugbear.
>Nevertheless,
>for some reason they feel compelled to impose this theory upon society as
>"fact".
you and your fantasies about jack-booted thugs in white lab coats! You
don't care about the evidence which supports evolution. Scientists do. They
care a lot. They don't give a rat's ass whether or not God is pushing the
molecules around in an unseen way that can't be detected. If you think
fungi and algae shook hands, signed some kind of agreement and personally
*decided* to live together as lichens, that's fine. But a scientist is
going to want to see *evidence* that such a thing actually happened. Until
you produce that evidence, no scientist (or anybody who has a scientific
bent) will jump on your little bandwagon.
The same thing is true of ID.
Susan
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I am aware that the conclusions arrived at in this work will be denounced
by some as highly irreligious; but he who denounces them is bound to shew
why it is more irreligious to explain the origin of man as a distinct
species by descent from some lower form, through the laws of variation and
natural selection, than to explain the birth of the individual through the
laws of ordinary reproduction.
---Charles Darwin
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