From: sheila-mcginty@geotec.net
Date: Fri Apr 18 2003 - 17:22:56 EDT
Michael,
Several people have sent me emails stating that you often make tongue in
cheek, sarcastic remarks. I apologize for taking offense; will you please
forgive me?
Sheila
Quoting sheila-mcginty@geotec.net:
> This was the most arrogant and shocking email I have read on ASA. As a
>
> geologist, I do NOT believe that all crustal movement took place during
> the
> flood. Because of this, you (Michael) say that I do not believe in
> miracles
> and lack faith. I honestly hope that you did not intend the email to be
> this
> harsh or rude.
>
> The Bible specifically says that we cannot understand the mysteries of
> God.
> He is more awesome and more amazing than we could ever imagine. To
> state that
> your arguments are irrefutable is make yourself "like God." You are
> saying
> that you completely understand the mystery of God's divine nature and
> His
> creation. I do not believe that you or anyone else does. Your
> arguments may
> appear irrefutable to you but we are warned - lean not unto our own
> understanding!
>
> While I love the research and debate, I do not believe we will have the
> answer
> while we are on earth. God does not give us all the answers because the
>
> research and wrestling with God is what makes life exciting and
> wonderful.
> This is how we learn to seek God and to love Him with our whole hearts!
> I
> have many questions for God and can hardly wait for the answers!
>
>
>
> Quoting Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>:
>
> > Dick,
> >
> > You obviously dont believe in miracles because of your lack of faith.
> If
> > you did you would have no difficulty in beleiving that all crustal
> > movements took place during the flood.
> >
> > There is no need to respond as my argument is irrefutable. Humphreys
> > also demonstrated this.
> >
> > Michael
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dick Fischer
> > To: ASA
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 6:38 PM
> > Subject: Plate Tectonics
> >
> >
> > Here is an anti-YEC argument from nature. (I borrowed a little
> from
> > Don Winterstein.) Can anybody see necessary additions or
> corrections?
> >
> > Plate Tectonics
> >
> > When scientists began bouncing radio waves off the moon they
> > discovered something which to them at the time appeared quite odd.
> > Instead of being stationary, the major continents were drifting ever
> so
> > slightly but perceptively such that the continents were moving apart.
>
> > This detected movement is one independent measure of what has become
> a
> > staple of geologic theory - plate tectonics.
> >
> > The mid Atlantic rift lies midway between the continents of North
> and
> > South America to the west and Europe and Africa to the east. As the
> > continents drift slowly in opposite directions, molten rock boils up
> in
> > the center and solidifies when it hits the cold water on the sea
> floor.
> > The mid Atlantic rift is not quite a straight line that stretches
> north
> > and south.
> >
> > At present, we don't know whether the molten rock boiling up from
> the
> > earth's mantle exerts a force pushing the continents away from each
> > other, or whether the momentum of the moving continents drawing apart
> > causes a fissure which the molten rock fills, or whether there is a
> > combination of forces at work.
> >
> > Samples of the rock have been taken from the sea floor. Relative
> ages
> > of the rock, measured by radiometric dating techniques, increase
> going
> > both east and west from the rift center. The age of the rock is the
> > same at points that are equidistant from the middle of the Atlantic
> > ocean, and increasingly older moving away from the rift.
> >
> > For example, the relative amount of decay isotopes present in rock
> > 1,000 miles east of the rift will be the same as that contained in
> rock
> > 1,000 miles to the west. An equal amount of decay elements are
> found
> > at all points that are equidistant from each other going east and
> west.
> >
> > In addition, the iron contained in the deposits when the molten
> rock
> > first reaches the ocean floor and solidifies, orients itself with the
> > same polarity as the earth. Again, at equidistant points we see
> regular
> > reversals in polarity many times in the last 200 million years since
> the
> > continents were joined.
> >
> > Whether the Genesis flood was local or global can be argued, but
> let's
> > assume that the flood occurred about 5,000 years ago. Since that
> point
> > in time, there have been no magnetic pole reversals. So we can say
> that
> > no reversals have occurred in the last 5,000 years.
> >
> > Yet from core samples taken from the ocean floor, and from many
> other
> > samples taken from all over the earth, we see pole swapping clearly
> > occurring in sine wave fashion. And from recent data we can detect a
> > slight decline in magnetic strength as the earth moves slowly toward
> > another reversal.
> >
> > Working the data back, we can see that the continents were joined
> at
> > one time. This massive formation of all the continents joined
> together
> > roughly 200,000 million years ago has been dubbed "Pangea." Since
> that
> > time the continents have been drifting apart.
> >
> > Antarctica, which now covers the South Pole, once was located in
> > temperate climates. Dinosaur bones have been found there, yet
> remains
> > of more recent mammalian, land animals are absent. This is
> consistent
> > with our knowledge of the periods of earth history when dinosaurs
> roamed
> > the earth from 225 million years ago to 65 million years ago, and
> > mammals only came into existence during the last 150 million years
> >
> > Plate tectonics data constitutes one of the best data sets an
> informed
> > Christian might use to convince an open-minded young-earth
> creationist
> > that the world is not as young as he or she might think. Have
> > young-earth creationists provided an explanation as to how the
> mechanics
> > of plate tectonics could be explained in the span of one year at the
> > time of the flood? No.
> >
> > Only an earth that has been around for a long time (at least
> hundreds
> > of millions of years) could leave this kind of consistent data
> > testifying to its ancient geologic history.
> >
> > Dick Fischer - Genesis Proclaimed Association
> > Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
> > www.genesisproclaimed.org
> >
>
>
>
> Sheila McGinty
> sheila-mcginty@geotec.net
>
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