>Susan:
> >"most IDs" want
> >those religious views accepted and taught as science
> >and they simply can'tbe without violating church and
> >state separation.
>Bertvan:
>Hi Susan. Funny. I hear IDs continually state that they are only interested
>in the design, and want to leave the nature of the designers to the
>individual.
the vast majority of individuals pushing ID are conservative Christians.
Even centrist Christians find it to be a sham.
>Susan:
> >You don't seem to realize that that is the crux of the matter.
> >Civil rights are not accorded to citizens based upon
> > whether they are rude or polite. In
> >fact, people whose civil rights are being violated tend
> >to get pretty rude about it. And people have
> >constitutionally guaranteed right to practice,
> >teach and learn science without religious interference.
>Bertvan
>I haven't actually heard anyone urging that ID be taught in schools. All I
>hear is people fearing they *might* do such a thing. Actually, I prefer not
>allowing it in schools. Kids are much more interested in some illicit idea
>than the indoctrination that often takes place in some classrooms.
then you have had your head in the sand. There is constant pressure from
the religious right to eliminate evolution from science curriculum and
replace it with Biblically based teachings such as ID and "creation science."
>Susan:
> >You have aserted that organisms direct their own mutations and
> >therefore their own evoluon. So explain extinction to me.
>I notice that the non Christian ID supporters now outnumber the Christians in
>this discussion group, 2 to 1.
how did you find that out? I've been noticing the occurrence of Christian
evolutionists growing. Where did you get your statistic? I'd like to see it.
>Hope you don't feel as threatened by us as
>you seem to fear the Christians.
One of them would have to come to my door and offer to beat me up for me to
feel threatened. (And I think a couple of them have contemplated just
that.) My hobbies--the things I do for fun--are belly-dance, crochet and
no-holds-barred, fur-flying debate. They can't intimidate me with mere
augments.
>I have to tell you, Susan, I have actually
>been in the presence of people who prayed, out loud, and I wasn't the least
>bit traumatized by it.
oh really? you seem to be confusing "religion" (in general) with
"Christianity" (in particular). Do you think you would be pleased to be
*required* to participate in a Wiccan ritual? I'm sure it wouldn't be too
traumatizing. And I think praying with the Moslems five times a day
wouldn't be too traumatizing either.
>I even deliberately exposed my children to religion when they
>were small, and they each grew up with their own individual philosophy, world
>view, or whatever.
Good for you. Unitarians have a Sunday school curriculum called "Church
Across the Street" where they visit all the other denominations in town. My
daughter and her class were pretty satisfied that there's "no place like home!"
Susan
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