Re: ID: Design vs designer

From: Ivar Ylvisaker (ylvisaki@erols.com)
Date: Sun Sep 10 2000 - 23:49:30 EDT

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    There is something fundamentally flawed in the way that Dembski
    constructs his argument for design.

    Scientific knowledge advances through a process of proposing
    hypotheses, testing them, and then, based on the results, confirming,
    rejecting, or, most commonly, modifying them.

    This is not Dembski's approach. On page 68 of The Design Inference
    (TDI), he writes "Indeed, confirming hypotheses is precisely what
    the design inference does not do. The design inference is in the
    business of eliminating hypotheses, not confirming them." And in
    a reply to Wesley Elsberry in this mail list, he wrote "Design
    inferences are among other things eliminative arguments, and what
    they must eliminate is a chance hypothesis (or more generally a
    family of chance hypotheses)."
    (http://www.calvin.edu/archive/evolution/199909/0383.html) His
    explanatory filter implements his eliminative approach. The filter
    eliminates all "regular" and "chance" events -- presumably, all
    naturally caused events, Dembski does not define his terms very
    carefully -- and labels as "design" any event that survives.

    But his approach cannot not work. The problem is that anyone using
    the approach must identify "all the relevant chance hypotheses H
    that could be responsible for some event" (page 222 of TDI). (Note
    chance hypotheses can include regular hypotheses by setting
    parameters appropriately.) But how can anyone do this? It is not
    enough to identify all the relevant hypotheses that one knows. One
    must also identify all the relevant hypotheses that one does not
    know. Otherwise, some events that the filter labels as design will,
    in fact, be due to unidentified natural causes. One can not exclude
    the possibility that all of the events that pass through the filter
    will be due to natural causes. Obviously, such an imperfect filter
    is useless for Dembski's purpose, which is to show unmistakable
    evidence of an intelligent designer that might be his God. And, so
    far as we know, the number of possible hypotheses about natural
    causes is effectively infinite.

    Dembski claims that there are real events that are "complex" and
    "specified." Complex, specified events will pass through Dembski's
    filter and, hence, are supposed to be design events. Dembski's
    examples include the creation of DNA, Shakespeare's sonnets, and
    Behe's irreducibly complex (IC) systems. But, Dembski has never
    explained in detail, step-by-step, how we can infer such events are
    design events using his explanatory filter (or using anything
    similar). In particular, he never lists all possible relevant
    hypotheses. He takes it for granted that his conclusions are obvious.
    But they are not. And, since Dembski cannot identify all possible
    relevant hypotheses, he never can apply his filter to anything
    interesting like these examples.

    If you think it obvious that Shakespeare wrote the sonnets, try
    applying Dembski's eliminative approach. I agree that an intelligent
    being wrote the sonnets. It was probably Shakespeare but this is
    controversial. But my reasoning is scientific. There is historical
    evidence of man called Shakespeare, the sonnets exist, we can observe
    today poets writing sonnets, etc. All of this persuades me that the
    sonnets are the product of a designer. What I cannot do and what
    Dembski cannot do is prove that the sonnets were not generated by
    some unknown natural process. Unlikely yes. Proof, no.

    Ivar Ylvisaker
    Engineer



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