Contradictions ? was Re: ID vs. ?

From: FMAJ1019@aol.com
Date: Sun Sep 10 2000 - 14:16:29 EDT

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    I find it ironic that it seems that SE is arguing that present scientific
    methodologies cannot include ID since it involves an Intelligent Designer or
    Creator. But at the same time it is argued that ID does not identify the
    designer. So what is it?

    Actually he suggests that Darwinism is anti-design but also quotes Dembski

    ""Where does intelligent design fit within the creation-evolution
        debate? Logically, intelligent design is compatible with everything
        from utterly discontinuous creation (e.g., God intervening at every
        conceivable point to create new species) to the most far-ranging
        evolution (e.g., God seamlessly melding all organisms together into
        one great tree of life). "

    So if ID is compatible with the most far ranging evolution, then how can
    Darwinism oppose such a definition of ID and design?

    This shows clearly that ID cannot exclude natural forces as the designer but
    if that is the case, what value does the term design or even intelligent
    design have if it leaves us with the same choices we had before?
    Now if there were independent evidence for intelligent design in biology that
    excludes the possibility of a natural cause then there would be something
    interesting but ID does not provide us with tools to determine that.



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