Reply to: Re: A problem with ID-theorists' view of macroevolution
I think bertvan's situation is a telling problem with the intelligent design movement as a whole. I don't think they understand that science is an adversarial process. Scientists put forth ideas expecting them to be criticized. My collegues often say that if they don't get hard hitting questions at the end of their presentations, then they know that they didn't do a good job. The problem with the ID community is that they expect the scientific community to just accept whatever they say. Any criticism is considered an attack and they go on the defensive rather than try to meaningfully address the criticism.
Cliff H
Susan Brassfield Cogan wrote:
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>>Since the existence of purpose in nature is not
>>something anyone is likely to demonstrate conclusively, your insistence that
>>everyone agree with your position is puzzling. You seem upset that anyone
>>should think differently than you on the subject.
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>>WHY SHOULD YOU CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE BELIEVE ABOUT MATTERS THAT CAN NOT >>BE CONCLUSIVELY DEMONSTRATED?
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>I think Chris's main focus is not purpose in nature. That's your main >focus. The problem is, because of the religious belief that some god guides >everything and therefore there is purpose causes a great many creationists >to bend reality out of shape. That bothers *me* a lot. And when they insist >that this twisted view of reality get taught and accepted as science, I am >even more bothered.
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>mutation and natural selection have been observed to occur. If you do not >wish to believe that or cling to your wish for the mutations to not be >random (as if that would make a difference to evolution, which it would >not) that's fine. However, when you make statements in an open forum >designed (by humans!) for discussion, your statements *WILL* be critiqued. >EVERYONE on this list believes that everyone is entitled to their opinion. >You don't seem to have noticed that nobody ever disagrees with you on that >point (which you keep posting over and over and over). However I expect my >opinion will be critiqued.
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>If you make factual statements that are wrong, somebody is going to tell >you so. If you make statements that lack any kind of logic, someone is >going to point it out. Live with it.
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>Susan
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