Re: Popper's so-called `recantation' (was The scienceeducators' Vietnam)

efoster@lib.drury.edu
Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:07:16 -0500

Cliff Lundberg wrote:
>
> Stephen E. Jones wrote:
>
> >As I have previously pointed out in a debate with Brian Harper on the
> >Reflector in 1998, even though Popper uses the word "recantation" it is
> >clear that Popper never retracted his core claim that "Darwinism is not a
> >testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme":
>
> Could someone clarify what this is all about? Surely Popper was not
> talking about evolution in the sense of a genealogical chain of organisms
> changing over time; that is a physical fact (true or false), which could be
> observed if one had a time machine, or if one could find satisfactory
> historical evidence (such as if light waves from earth had been somehow
> recorded somewhere). The difficulty of making the observation has nothing
> to do with whether the proposition is metaphysical and thus unverifiable
> in principle.

He was refering to natural selection only. here is the beginning of the
text thanks to brian for the whole quote):

"When speaking here of Darwinism, I shall speak always of
today's theory--that is Darwin's own theory of natural
selection supported by the Mendelian theory of heredity,
by the theory of the mutation and recombination of genes
in a gene pool, and the decoded genetic code. This is an
immensely impressive and powerful theory. The claim that
it completely explains evolution is of course a bold claim,
and very far from being established. All scientific theories
are conjectures, even those that have successfully passed
many and varied tests. The Mendelian underpinning of
modern Darwinism has been well tested, and so has the theory
of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved
from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even
from one single organism."

About natural selection he admits:
"I have in the past
described the theory as "almost tautological", and I have tried
to explain how the theory of natural selection could be untestable
(as is a tautology) and yet of great scientific interest"

But he explains in this paper that he had changed his mind on the
untestability of natural selection:
"Darwin's own most important contribution to the
theory of evolution, his theory of natural selection, is
difficult to test. There are some tests, even some
experimental tests; and in some cases, such as the famous
phenomenon known as "industrial melanism", we can observe
natural selection happening under our very eyes, as it were.
Nevertheless, really severe tests of the theory of natural
selection are hard to come by, much more so than tests of
otherwise comparable theories in physics or chemistry. "

Since Popper clearly says that there are available tests for this theory
(natural selection), showing that this theory is indeed testable, I
don't see how Stephen can interpret the whole paper the way he does.

Regards

Emmanuelle
"

>
> So, is the remaining question whether natural selection and mutation are
> the driving mechanisms behind the phenomena? If so, it would seem that
> it boils down to Humean questioning of causality in general, which is fine,
> if that is made clear.
>
> Personally, I think if Popper were worth a damn, he'd be appreciated by
> the average intelligent person. But he's not. He is sort of a philosopher's
> philosopher, a meta-philosopher, given to appealing yet nonsensical
> expressions like 'metaphysical research programme.'
>
> --
> Cliff Lundberg ~ San Francisco ~ cliff@noe.com