Re: [asa] EU proposed regulation of creationism and ID

Funny how poorly chosen analogies can do similar damage as the
scientific and theological vacuity of Intelligent Design.
Denyse and Behe and Dembski are fellow Christians and should know
better. As far as Dawkins or PZ are concerned, I am puzzled by the
obsessive manner in which some seem to view these people. However, I
have found both of them, and especially PZ, a delight to read when
discussing issues of science.

As far as the fear that atheists will be abusing TE's 'obsession' with
ID, I personally find that atheist are having a field day with ID
itself. Personally, I object to any abuse of science, certainly I do
not feel the need to hold atheists or christians to a different
standard. One may even argue that as a Christian, one should hold
fellow Christians to a higher standard but that may be an area of
discussion.

On 9/22/07, John Walley <john_walley@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Granted these guidelines may not have turned out to be as nefarious as the
> first alarmist reports indicated, but I think it is naïve to assume that the
> trend of reducing the wonder and awe of our observable universe down to only
> natural causes is so innocent.
>
> I think the earlier observation that a lot of these alarmist reactions are
> "really complaints about not being able to exercise dominant cultural and
> political power like the church once did" is relevant and valid, and I think
> it helps pinpoint some of the disconnect on this list between TE and ID.
>
> I think ID is correct in recognizing that the power vacuum created by the
> church losing its influence in society is largely being filled by a
> competing atheistic philosophy. Granted the way to counter this is not
> misrepresenting philosophy as science, but ID is at least right in
> recognizing the growing threat of this ascendancy of atheism in our culture.
>
> Sometimes I get the impression here that if only all the creationists and
> IDer's would get their science right and apologize for all the confusion and
> harm they have caused over the years, then all the conflict between science
> and faith would vanish and we would all live happily ever after. There is a
> double standard in putting the onus of this problem solely on the likes of
> Denyse and Behe but Dawkins and PZ Myers get passes.
>
> I think the downside of this oversimplistic view of the world is that
> obsessed ID bashing TE's run the risk of being used by the atheists like
> Stalin used his domestic communist sympathizers during the cold war.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:50 PM
> To: john_walley@yahoo.com
> Cc: d.nield@auckland.ac.nz; gmurphy@raex.com; Mahaffy@dordt.edu;
> asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: [asa] EU proposed regulation of creationism and ID
>
>
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:37:26 -0400 "John Walley" <john_walley@yahoo.com>
> writes:
> > Nevermind the document. When Jesus said that since the world hated
> > Him, it
> > would hate us too, is that the product of imagination?
> >
> > John
> >
> When you specify the explicit part of the statement that expresses
> hatred, you'll have a point. Until then, you have a vivid imagination.
> Dave (ASA)
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