RE: [asa] EU proposed regulation of creationism and ID

Granted these guidelines may not have turned out to be as nefarious as the
first alarmist reports indicated, but I think it is naïve to assume that the
trend of reducing the wonder and awe of our observable universe down to only
natural causes is so innocent.

I think the earlier observation that a lot of these alarmist reactions are
"really complaints about not being able to exercise dominant cultural and
political power like the church once did" is relevant and valid, and I think
it helps pinpoint some of the disconnect on this list between TE and ID.

I think ID is correct in recognizing that the power vacuum created by the
church losing its influence in society is largely being filled by a
competing atheistic philosophy. Granted the way to counter this is not
misrepresenting philosophy as science, but ID is at least right in
recognizing the growing threat of this ascendancy of atheism in our culture.

Sometimes I get the impression here that if only all the creationists and
IDer's would get their science right and apologize for all the confusion and
harm they have caused over the years, then all the conflict between science
and faith would vanish and we would all live happily ever after. There is a
double standard in putting the onus of this problem solely on the likes of
Denyse and Behe but Dawkins and PZ Myers get passes.

I think the downside of this oversimplistic view of the world is that
obsessed ID bashing TE's run the risk of being used by the atheists like
Stalin used his domestic communist sympathizers during the cold war.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of D. F. Siemens, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:50 PM
To: john_walley@yahoo.com
Cc: d.nield@auckland.ac.nz; gmurphy@raex.com; Mahaffy@dordt.edu;
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Subject: Re: [asa] EU proposed regulation of creationism and ID

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:37:26 -0400 "John Walley" <john_walley@yahoo.com>
writes:
> Nevermind the document. When Jesus said that since the world hated
> Him, it
> would hate us too, is that the product of imagination?
>
> John
>
When you specify the explicit part of the statement that expresses
hatred, you'll have a point. Until then, you have a vivid imagination.
Dave (ASA)

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