From: Alexanian, Moorad (alexanian@uncw.edu)
Date: Tue Apr 29 2003 - 21:15:34 EDT
“By the sweat of your face, You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.” Gen. 3.19
I do not see any mythology in this verse. It seems that it describes perfectly the state of mankind. We have to work to eat and one day we will die. Perhaps this is not a valid statement for those who are on welfare but for the rest of us it is quite accurate. Am I missing something?
Moorad
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Eisele [mailto:jeisele@starpower.net]
Sent: Tue 4/29/2003 6:39 PM
To: RFaussette@aol.com
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: The Nature of Atheist - Christian dialogue
Rich writes
>>Before coming to this list I made my bones at hbe-l, a list populated by
scientists, most of whom were atheists. They had no patience with
metaphysics at all. When there was a position, it was defended, with
references that could be checked. Opinions were not respected without some
basis in fact. For you to say, I am an atheist, and you Christians just
don't get it and to say it over and over and over again without responding
with a principled argument and presumptously repeating the same mantra of
you Christians don't get it is not constructive. It's not science and it's
not religion. Nor do you respond to objections. I don't understand what
you are doing here unless it is simply to boldly trash the religion. What is
it you are gaining with this pattern of behavior? You have an agenda, not a
defense.
I thought pontificating was what Catholics did?
I've asked if you are a converso, which would make your behavior
intelligible, but you do not respond. Are other religions besides
Christianity offensive to atheists? Is Judaism offensive to atheists? Or are
you just deconstructing Christianity?>>
In an ideal world, people would have all the information
they needed, and the "decision" about Christianity would
be a no-brainer.
My goal isn't to shove atheism down anyone's throats.
Generally speaking, this list does a good job of getting
information on the table and letting people make up their
own minds.
Let's stick to the issue. Gen 3:19 is compelling evidence
that Genesis is mythology. This is obviously a touchy
topic. I spoke up because I perceived the important
aspects of this discussion were being ignored. Sorry if I
got on anyone's nerves. The flow of the discussion
led into other areas that I felt were necessary to
bring up. To be perfectly honest, I don't think this
list is ready for serious atheist - Christian dialogue.
Gen 3:19 is so clearly and obviously talking about physical
death, though, it really gets on my nerves when Christians
dishonestly pretend otherwise.
Jim
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