From: Alexanian, Moorad (alexanian@uncw.edu)
Date: Sun Apr 27 2003 - 12:02:17 EDT
The statement "the cause of physical human death is sin" is of secondary importance. The fundamental question, for people today, is whether there is eternal life or not and how you get it by actions that you may do while alive.
As a scientist, I believe everyone makes assumptions to make sense of the whole of reality. If the assumption of atheism works for some, so be it. The nonsense is to use assumptions that are on equal footing, e.g. atheism vs. theism, to prove the other wrong. That is pure nonsense.
Moorad
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From: RFaussette@aol.com [mailto:RFaussette@aol.com]
Sent: Sun 4/27/2003 11:40 AM
To: jeisele@starpower.net; deborahjmann@insightbb.com
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: No death before the fall theology
In a message dated 4/27/03 9:55:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jeisele@starpower.net writes:
There are no atheist churches, Debbie. Atheism is
not a business. But information can be obtained from
the internet. I expect that will take Christianity
down for good. Who knows how long it will take.
Some people cherish their superstitions, and there is
still (by my perception) some social acceptance in
being a Christian. The truth about Christianity isn't
known to everyone. In Europe, though, Christianity is
basically finished. We Americans are pretty ignorant
about science matters. This list is a good thing in that
area.
Anyway, look at Gen 3:19. The mythology is that the
cause of physical human death is sin.
Jim
Dear Jim,
The Jewish people are the most intelligent, the most materially successful and genetically most long lived people in the world. They maintain their traditions found in their holiest books of the Torah. Their most orthodox communities are in palestinian territory daring the world to remove them and the world has not been able to do that. If you are selling atheism, you've got to explain to me why the Jews who follow those "cherished superstitions," are doing so well.
As for the superstitions, you obviously don't know that the Biblical writers intentionally wrote in allegories. You probably also don't know that scientists have found religious behavior evolutionarily adaptive. Have you read the evolutionary psychologist MacDonald on Judaism? Have you read David sloan wilson on the adaptive nature of religious groups? Your atheism is a dead end. You're short of the grail, Jim, and yes - there is one, if you know what to look for. You are pretty ignorant about science matters.
What's with genesis 3:19? Of course man now had to work. Pastoralism and agriculture both figure strongly in genesis and both are a step beyond hunting and gathering which only supports small populations whose size matches exactly the availability of God's bounty from season to season. With the appearance of pastoralism and agriculture we can support artificially high populations through concentrated labors (the sweat of your brow), populations which are subject to rapid decline due to man's pastoral and agricultural mistakes.
rich
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