Re: No death before the fall theology

From: Jim Eisele (jeisele@starpower.net)
Date: Sun Apr 27 2003 - 09:53:39 EDT

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    Debbie writes

    <snip to stay on point>
    >Believe it or not. I was raised in church forever. I taught Vacation bible
    >School as a teenager and as an adult, have taught Sunday School, taken many
    >seminars, buy many sermon tapes, take and teach Bible Studies. I was
    >Methodist til age 12, Presbyterian until 20, Grace Brethren for a decade,
    >various non-denomination Christian churches, currently I have been
    Christian
    >Reformed for a number of years. Physical death was never expounded to me as
    >being a consequence of sin. Spiritual death was. Not experiencing the
    >resurrections was given as the ultimate death as the consequence of
    >unforgiven sin. Forgiveness is readily available through the blood of Jesus
    >Christ.
    >
    >(I read a great deal. I am not unaware of the physical death philosophy by
    >any means. However, in years of Christian instruction, I was never, ever
    >taught it. Always, I was taught that the wages of sin is spiritual death,
    >manifested as separation from God.)

    First, a word of warning. At a certain point it
    won't be worth my time to repeat myself. If people
    want to illogically remain Christians (and keep all
    the negative stuff that goes with that) well, it's a
    free country.

    Of course your churches don't talk about the physical
    death angle (ha, ha). I seriously doubt that you are
    aware of just how much your churches don't tell you.
    That's part of the business, Debbie.

    There are no atheist churches, Debbie. Atheism is
    not a business. But information can be obtained from
    the internet. I expect that will take Christianity
    down for good. Who knows how long it will take.
    Some people cherish their superstitions, and there is
    still (by my perception) some social acceptance in
    being a Christian. The truth about Christianity isn't
    known to everyone. In Europe, though, Christianity is
    basically finished. We Americans are pretty ignorant
    about science matters. This list is a good thing in that
    area.

    Anyway, look at Gen 3:19. The mythology is that the
    cause of physical human death is sin.

    Jim

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