From: Debbie Mann (deborahjmann@insightbb.com)
Date: Fri Apr 11 2003 - 18:47:28 EDT
Re: fine tuningTo Mike Roberts:
See notes below.
“All the terrestrial planets, except Earth, show huge multiring scars that
testify to past cataclysmic impacts. But they also show another strange
feature that may have resulted from mighty blows: most have spin axies that
are tilted relative to the ecliptic plane. Uranus, lying on its side, is the
most dramatic example, but it is not alone. All of the planets, except
Mercury and Jupiter, have a spin angle of at least 24 degrees. …Venus
rotates slowly backward.”
P179 Carbn dioxide acts as a temperature regulator. “When the Earth is
warmer, due to high atmospheric carbon dioxide, rock weathering reactions
are faster because of increased rainfall. Thus, carbon dioxide is
incorporated into limestones in the ocean floor more rapidly. The rate of
return is unaffected…temp is lowered.” (some paraphrasing.)
Carbon:nitrogen:phosphorous in all living things is 105:15:1. All life forms
only use left-handed amino acid isomers. Light rotation cancels when one
left and one right. DNA is architect, RNA is contractor.
Fanfare for Earth Harry McSween 1997
WHy is Earth the only planet without huge cataclysmic scars? Venus is
farther from Jupiter, our great protector, others are closer. Why do we have
the tilt that we have and not some dramatic tilt that would make much of the
earth uninhabitable?
Is that geology? Or still cosmology?
I don't know much about glaciers accomplishing divine designs - unless it
was God's way of keeping man from having to deal with dinosaurs. A thought
that I find interesting though, is a quote I just copied from a book
yesterday:
Chet Raymo, in Skeptics and True Believers, has a discussion with a friend
in Ireland about science and mythologies relative accounts of a mountain. He
quotes the friend as saying, "It's easier to believe in fairies under the
hill than in ice on top."
Not my favorite book. I am liking Is the Bible True? by Sheler much better.
Lots of archeology.
Do glaciers have a fractal nature? Are fractals the doodles of God?
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Roberts [mailto:michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 1:16 PM
To: Howard J. Van Till; Debbie Mann; Asa
Subject: Re: fine tuning
A serious question. What is the evidence for ID in the geological sphere
which is of course neither cosmological or biological?
Those who have read my PSCF article of Dec 1999 will know I want to know
in what way a glacier is designed. After all glacial scenery is very
aesthetic whether one goes to the British mountains, the Alps or Yosemite.
To be flippant . is the chaotic and random nature of glaciers a sign of
ID?
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard J. Van Till
To: Debbie Mann ; Asa
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: fine tuning
From: "Debbie Mann" <deborahjmann@insightbb.com>
> ... There is also the biological argument from the web page. Robert
Shapiro
> has several books touting the same thing. The simplest life that we
know
> requires a complex series of events each of which should take
millenia to
> occur. However, several of them must occur within the same sphere in
a
> period of a couple of months. And, they each have different
biological
> requirements in order to evolve. That first strand of DNA, or even
RNA, is a
> mighty big task.
I'm not sure what your intended point is here, but what you say does
help to illustrate the point I made in my earlier post regarding the
inconsistency of ID's strategies in cosmology and biology.
Cosmology: The PRESENCE of cosmological fine-tuning is declared to be
evidence for ID.
Biology: The LACK of biological fine-tuning is declared to be evidence
for ID.
Howard Van Till
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