Re: What's missing

From: Bill Payne (bpayne15@juno.com)
Date: Sat Feb 26 2000 - 21:51:09 EST

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    On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:00:55 +0000 glenn morton <mortongr@flash.net>
    writes:

    >Actually Bill, I can document that I was open to YEC. I published 20+
    >papers and one book advocating it in the early 1980s. Do you have any
    >equal
    >documentary evidence that you are open to a non-global flood view of
    >the
    >world? If anyone has a claim to having an open mind about these
    >things, I
    >do, because I have been on both sides of this issue during my life.
    >I
    >proved my open mindedness when I changed views. But I haven't seen
    >any
    >evidence of a similar openness by you.

    You shifted tenses on me, you sly hombre. You said "...I _was_ open to
    YEC...in the early 1980s", then you ask me "...that you _are_ open..." I
    like that, nice and subtle. :-)

    If your question is "Have I ever believed the conventional view of
    geology?", then, yes, when I was going through college in the 60s and
    early 70s I bought into the entire naturalistic world view, including
    becoming agnostic. I not only believed it, I lived it. Jesus had to
    reach pretty far down into the sewer to get to me. When my wife
    occasionally tells our children, or more recently our son-in-law, some of
    what I used to be like, invariably their response is that they cannot
    imagine such things about me. As you know, Glenn, Jesus really does
    change lives.

    Since becoming a Christian, I have wandered back and forth between OEC
    and YEC maybe half a dozen times. You only changed views once; therefore
    I must be six times more open-minded than you.

    If your question is "Am I open _now_ to a non-global flood view of the
    world?", I would say that you and I are probably about equally
    closed-minded - you prefer the non-global flood, I prefer the global
    flood. I guess the main difference between the two of us is the way we
    react to contrary data. I tend to shrug my shoulders and ignore it.
    You, at least in our recent altercation over that four-letter C word (bet
    you thought I was going to say COAL), reacted to me and not to the data.
    I don't do any better by ignoring what you present; my only point is that
    I think we are both pretty well set in our models.

    At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that I am right. :-)

    Bill



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