In a message dated 9/13/2000 9:14:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
nalonso@megatribe.com writes:
<< FMA:
If you believe that IC is still a reliable detector of design, can you show
how it can exclude a natural pathway as a designer?
Nelson:
An irreducibly complex systems can only be built simultaneously. Thus
physical precursors are eliminated as the designer. It can not be built
gradually , step by step.
>>
You are avoiding the question. You presume that IC systems can only be built
simultaneously, something not supported by actual evidence and you presume
that IC systems cannot arise gradually, again not supported by evidence.
<< Nelson:
As I illustrated with the Dawkins discussion of the 91 membranes, it
succesfully eliminates natural selection.
>> >>
Nope, it merely eliminates a particular pathway of natural selection.
Furthermore, do you propose to say that elimination of natural selection is
evidence of design? Are there no other natural pathways possible?
<<
FMA:
Not really. All you are attacking is the strawman that natural selection can
only take direct routes.
Nelson:
Indirect routes are indistinguishable from direct ones and invoke pure
random chance. They are non-Darwinian.
>>
Unsupported assertion and actually contradicted by the evidence. Indirect
routes seem to be the way much of evolution happens. Look at the many
homologous systems found for instance. And even if they are non-Darwinian,
they are still natural.
<< FMA:
Even Behe admits that there are indirect routes,
although he seems to reject them without much supporting argument and
evidence.
Nelson:
Another handwave.
>>
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