>>Metaphysical knowing is based of faith and/or belief, the words being
>>approx equivalent.
>This is just playing with words. Faith and belief are synonyms:
Yes, agreed
>The question we are discussing is not whether or not faith is "a
>metaphysical form of knowing" but whether it is based on "evidence". The
>above verse says it is based on "evidence".
Yes, but metaphysical evidence, not physical evidence - dreams, visions,
musings,
philosophical diccussions. going back to the beginning
>>SJ>It is a tautology to speak of a "belief based upon faith".
>>If Cliff has a "belief" it must be based on *evidence*.
belief is based on metaphysical evidence (evidence not subject to
scientific investigation) As St Paul taught we won't need faith/belief in
the next world for in the next world we will have knowledge. (now we see
through a glass darkly) In the next world we will have hard exidence,
clear sight. So St Paul differentiates between physical knowing and
metaphysical knowing.
billwald@juno.com
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