Re: ID vs. ?

From: FMAJ1019@aol.com
Date: Sun Sep 10 2000 - 13:58:11 EDT

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    SE: But Dembski points out that ID would be compatible with "the most far-
    ranging evolution" because "an evolutionary process can exhibit such
    `marks of intelligence' as much as any act of special creation."

    So my question again to ID'ers is that if ID can detect design but cannot
    exclude "the most far ranging evolution" because en evolutionary process can
    exhibit marks of intelligence then what does ID have to offer that science
    presently does not offer?

    SE also wrote that:
    If design is empirically detected it will be public property. *All* religions
      
    and philosophies which claim there is design would find it confirmatory of
    *their* position, including Christianity as only one among many.

    So design can confirm all positions from evolution to religion alike. But
    then ID has no explanatory power at all? People already 'detect design'
    through their faith and ID changes nothing about the interpretation of this
    "design".

    SE seems to contradict himself when he claims:
    Only those scientific philosophies which deny design (e.g. materialism,
    Darwinism, etc) would find the empirical detection of design
    disconfirmatory.

    Are you now using the same definition of design Steve? And what is the value
    of an empirical test for design when design can include all faith, religions
    and science? It's clear that the main strength of ID, removing the designer
    from design has also become its main weakness since design can point to a
    large variety of designers, even natural forces. ID has become an empty shell
    as has the meaning of the term design and designer.
        
        



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