Re: Definitions of ID

From: FMAJ1019@aol.com
Date: Sat Sep 09 2000 - 14:58:05 EDT

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    And Susan Replies:
    Behe ceases to explore possible evolutionary pathways for his IC systems
    with the simple pronouncement "God did it."

    Nelson:
    No he ceases to explore them because evolutionary pathways are sterile, and
    it is better explained by intelligence.

    Note that Behe makes no attempt to show that they are better explained by
    intelligence. No explanation is provided how intelligence lead to the system
    observed. Intelligent design is infered through the absence of an identified
    evolutionary pathway. Therefor it is similar to the god of the gaps argument.

    Susan:
     That's one of the main
    objections to ID: it is stultifying to scientific inquiry.

    Nelson:
    Only if you equate "I understand this" with "It arose naturally".
    That is simply not the case. One can use ID to understand any biological
    feature.

    Really? How did the flagellum arise then?

    Susan:
     The purpose of
    ID (and IC) is to "prove" the existence of the gods is a scientific fact.

    Nelson:
    No it is to detect intelligent agency and distinguish it from natural
    process.

    So far however ID and IC are painfully unable to do so.

    Susan:
    If you can do that, you can get around the major legal roadblock to having
    Christian dogma taught in public schools--in science class, no less.

    Nelson:
    That is a clear cut unsubstantiated assertion.

    Really?

    Susan:
    This
    is one of the major objectives of the Discovery Institute which, at least
    in part, bankrolls Behe, Dembski and Johnson.

    Nelson:
    It seems like your only "objection" to ID is an ad hominem with no basis in
    fact.

    You have not been reading Susan's responses then. And the argument is not ad
    hominem either.



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