>> CH>But, that is my belief based upon faith with
>> no scientific data to support it.
>SJ: It is a tautology to speak of a "belief based upon faith".
> If Cliff has a "belief" it must be based on *evidence*.
There are two kind of "knowing," physical and metaphysical. Physical
knowing is based on physical evidence and doesn't require faith.
Metaphysical knowing is based of faith and/or belief, the words being
approx equivalent.
The NT Bible says the same thing. Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is the
substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen," KJB. In
other words, a metaphysical form of knowing. "Things not seen" must mean
"not detectable through physical means" and NOT "things sub-microscopic
and/or super-telescopic."
Jesus, himself, implied, "Sometimes stuff happens," billwald
transliteration, see
Luke 13:4.
billwald@juno.com
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