Re: evidence against Darwinism-there isn't any!

From: Cliff Hamrick (Cliff_Hamrick@baylor.edu)
Date: Mon Sep 04 2000 - 13:59:01 EDT

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    Well I guess David just showed that I'm a biologist and not a physicist. I'll just stick to my own field from now on.

    David_Bowman wrote:
    >Regarding Cliff H's last iteration of his thoughts about the 2nd law of
    >thermodynamics:
    >
    >>Good point. A law can't be circumvented. Let me rephrase my last
    >>comment. There are reasons as to why the 2LOT would not be an obstacle
    >>to evolution. Another point is that the 2LOT states that the amount of
    >>entropy in a system always increases.
    >
    >Sorry. But this is still not correct. The entropy in a system *does*
    >decrease every time it loses heat. Things *do* cool off in nature, and
    >when they do they do not violate the 2nd law.
    >
    >>This implies that the universe
    >>will eventually fill up with so much entropy that any form of
    >>organization will be impossible.
    >
    >No. There is no such physical concept as 'filling up with entropy'.
    >The entropy of a system is a statistical information theoretic
    >*property* of the system. It just has a numerical value. It is *not*
    >some sort of incompressible stuff that takes up space. Entropy
    >comes in bits (or J/K if you're an SI fan) *not* liters. It lives in
    >the same platonic space of numerical valued properties that pressure,
    >temperature, speed, electrical resistance, viscosity, and a baseball
    >pitcher's earned run average live in.
    >
    >>But, the universe is expanding. If
    >>the rate of expansion is greater than the rate of entropic increase,
    >>then it is possible that the universe will become even more orderly
    >>than when it started.
    >
    >Sorry, but nope. That's not how it works. This *is* a nice imaginative
    >speculation on your part though.
    >
    >>In fact, I think this is what is happening and
    >>why we see the evolution of larger, more complex organisms.
    >
    >Huh?
    >
    >Is it time already for another explanation of the 2nd law and the real
    >meaning of entropy in this forum again? I guess it's understandable;
    >Cliff is new to the list.
    >
    >>I just love shooting down my own ideas.
    >
    >This is a good trait to possess.
    >
    >David Bowman
    >David_Bowman@georgetowncollege.edu
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    Common sense isn't.



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