Among other fictions, there was this one:
[...]
SEJ>I suspect that what Wesley is really upset about is that Mike
SEJ>Behe punctures his attempts to equate ID with YEC!
[...]
I've long held nuanced views of the diversity among
creationists. If Stephen can produce a quote from me that
*equates* YEC and IDC, I'll be happy to publicly retract and
clarify my position. Until then, I will consider Stephen's
claim here to be evidentially vacuous, as so many ID claims
seem to be.
[...]
SEJ>Sooner or later it might sink in to Wesley (and others)
SEJ>that the ID movement is a *scientific* movement, which is
SEJ>concerned with demonstrating the empirical evidence for
SEJ>the existence of intelligent cause in the history of life,
SEJ>and not for who the cause Agent or agency was.
[...]
Yep, when the IDC's start publishing real scientific theories
with real empirical research behind them, I'll realize that ID
"is a scientific movement". This isn't a special burden for
ID; many another avenue of scientific research has had to pony
up some initial results before being generally accepted as
*being* scientific. As for "sooner or later", judging by the
effort that IDCs currently put into actual research making a
positive case for ID, it looks like the timing will be "much,
much later".
[...]
SEJ>Indeed, if Johnson denied membership of the ID movement to
SEJ>Wells (on the grounds he had unorthodox views about Jesus
SEJ>Christ), or to Mike Behe (on the grounds that he believed
SEJ>in common ancestry), then Wesley would no doubt be among
SEJ>the first to accuse Johnson of hypocrisy. The bottom line
SEJ>is that it wouldn't matter what Johnson did. In the eyes
SEJ>of Wesley and his ilk, Johnson would always be damned if
SEJ>he did, and damned if he didn't!
About this mindreading that Stephen attempts: Don't give up
your day job, bucko. Stephen apparently doesn't have enough
in the way of real argument to counter what I say, and thus
has to resort to these pathetic little fantasies.
The fact of the matter is that Johnson's complacency is no
evidence for or against Johnson holding or denying any
particular stance, despite Stephen's argument-by-assertion.
Wesley
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