RE: do evolutionists really need the peppered moth? Re: Popper's

darren.coltman@zurichus.com
Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:07:28 -0500

PvM
The choice 'either evolutionist know...' or 'they are plain ignorant' is a false
dichotomy. Let me explain. First of all it is clear that there are many other
good examples, even Behe admits to such so the alternative seems to be that
evolutionists are 'ignorant' for using the peppered moth. Informed scientists
might have heard of the recent controversy of the peppered moth and should
educate their students about the new findings. Students should not be 'taking a
beating' because of this but educators should inform them not consider them
ignorant. After all are we not all 'ignorant' of math until we are taught such
by our teachers?

DC
I'd be interested in a brief list of significant new examples if anyone can
provide one.

To start you off I found these myself after about 2 minutes searching on the
Internet (I am not responsible for any mistakes contained therein!):

"I can give you several examples of new species that have emerged within human
observation. The best example that I can give you is the butterfly, the genus
of butterfly known as Hedylypta. Hedylypta is a genus of butterfly that feeds
on various plants. It's endemic to the Hawaiian Islands, which means it's only
found there. And there turn out to be two species of Hedylypta with mouthparts
that only allow them -- only allow them to feed on bananas. Now why is that
significant? It is significant because bananas are not native to the Hawaiian
Islands. They were introduced about 1,000 years ago by the Polynesians -- we
know this from the written records of the Hawaiian Kingdom -- and what that
means is that by mutation and natural selection, these two species have emerged
on the Hawaiian Islands within the last 1,000 years. And I think that's a very
good case in point."
Ken Miller in "Resolved: That evolutionists should acknowledge creation"
_Firing Line_, 4 December 1997, p. 24.
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"In the November 7th or November 14th issue of Science magazine, a number of
investigators wanted to test the Darwinian hypothesis that you folks say is
never tested, and the way in which they did this was to take the receptor
protein for the human growth hormone -- it's a receptor to which the human
growth hormone fits in precisely -- and they did a terrible genetic disservice.
They mutated -- they cut out an essential amino acid right in the middle of the
receptor, called tryptophan. With that gone, just like that mousetrap, it
wouldn't have been expected to work. They then allowed a natural selection
process to take place to see whether the cells under their own observation could
mutate the receptor gene sufficiently to bind the receptor, and after seven
generations, lo and behold, there it was. It illustrates beautifully the
ability of natural selection to respond to mutations in proteins to co-evolve."
Ken Miller in "Resolved: That evolutionists should acknowledge creation"
_Firing Line_, 4 December 1997, p. 25.