Re: New Flood Data

Jim Bell (JamesScottBell@compuserve.com)
Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:19:46 -0500

Now I am utterly fascinated! I seem to have tapped an issue that has no pat
answers.

Glenn writes:

<<I would agree with you that if the Flood was miraculous, then
uniformitarianism, physical law, or congressional law is useless.>>

A tad overstated, of course. Physical laws are useful, as is current
geology. I agree with you about Congress, however.

But the point is not the norm (it never is when one discusses miraculous
events). So the fact remains that trying to impose a uniformitarian model
upon a past miracle is an exercise in futility.

<< Could God have done everything miraculously? Yes. Did He? I
think not because he would have to arrange things so exactingly that it
would have the appearance of a deception. >>

Here is where you lose me. Appearance of deception to WHOM? Only those who
have a preconceived standard about what they expect to find! But that is
not a valid premise, so the whole house of cards falls.

<<If you have a murder case and the
guilty party plants the gun in your house dribbles a bit of your blood at
the scene and uses a car with tires identical to yours, you would call that

a deception. This is the type of activity that God must have engaged in
to
make the geologic column look as it does.>>

But you are still deciding what the standard of deception is. If God
performs a miracle, which is by definition outside the natural, how is that
a deception? It only is if you demand that God make everything happen
according to a set standard. But where does it say God HAS to make his
miraculous events look like anything other than what they are? It seems you
are presuming, in a big way.

<<And if we can't
trust what he does in the natural world, then how can I trust Him when He
tells me to believe on His son and I will be saved?>>

The point is you MUST trust him, even when his answers are not what you
desire, expect or "demand." I find it fascinating that you call a work of
God deceptive simply because, at a point in history, it was not "natural."
Just what do you think a miracle is?

To put it bluntly, this standard can deny Christ rose from the dead
because, well, how can we believe something that does not follow the
natural?

<<I don't think that it says that the flood and drying were miraculous. >>

Then what does Gen. 8:1 mean when it says " God made a wind to pass over
the earth"? Was this a natural or supernatural event?

Jim