Re: [asa] fellowship in this group

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:22 AM, John Burgeson (ASA member) <
hossradbourne@gmail.com> wrote:

> To David: I think I said it was my perspective. I don't like to put a
> label on someone who does not claim it first.
>

Thank you John. This is what I like about you - you are fair.
On constitutional principles I take a liberal position. of course that
doesn't speak to issues of religious fundamentalism. It makes me wonder if
a discussion of what the definition of fundmentalism is may be in order?
Might be fun!

>
> My good friend Glenn Morton has said to me that he is "far right," but
> my own view of him is not that.
>
> To Michael: "Sliding out of an evangelical perspective?" As I
> understand the term "evangelical," it is large enough to include
> Christians of many persuasions, including both fundamentalist and
> liberal.
>
> A search on the terms "liberal" and "evangelical" comes up with a
> number of interesting looking sites, among which is
> www.liberalevangelical.org and I'll have to take a look at some of
> them.
>
> To Merv: C.S. Lewis is a favorite author of mine. I have many of his
> books and always enjoy rereading him.
>
> To all: Remember "faith seeking understanding." Those 3 words sum up
> so much of what I think we are all about here. And anyone who
> contributes to that end ought to be welcomed. Those who don't can be
> ignored until they post something of substance.
>
> There are those who become defacto ignored. I thought I would say what is
bothering me. And I put down a condition as to where I would reverse
course. I didn't mean to offend anybody.

-Dave C

>
>
>
>
> On 9/16/09, mrb22667@kansas.net <mrb22667@kansas.net> wrote:
> > Don't know if I qualify as good company or not; but I didn't think your
> post
> > was of any extreme fundamentalist nature, David. I resonate with the Way
> > Lewis
> > thinks on a lot of things. And while I agree that "lockstep" is not and
> > should
> > not be a requirement for fellowship, I also think that for a community to
> > have
> > any meaningful cohesion there will be some non-negotiables. For
> Christians
> > it
> > seems to me that Christ is one of those. I'm not sure I agree that we
> can't
> > fellowship with non-Christians --I think I/we do. But if somebody is
> going
> > to
> > say they are Christian that should mean some certain minimum set of
> things -
> > presumably including Jesus Christ. We may be defining "fellowship" in
> > varying
> > ways here.
> >
> > --Merv
> >
> >
> > Quoting David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> I have warm feelings for my fellow Texan. But sadly I am not a
> >> fundamentalist.
> >> So I do object to that fundamental misunderstanding.
> >>
> >> Perhaps its John's definition of fundamentalist that is the problem
> here?
> >> :)
> >>
> >> If agreeing with CS Lewis and the apostle Paul makes one a
> fundamentalist
> >> then I guess I'd be in good company.
> >>
> >> I still don't understand why we don't have more Muslims here if the
> point
> >> is
> >> inter-faith discussion instead of intra-faith discussion. I'd like to
> >> invite my friend Mustafa to the discussion. And maybe some others.
> Some
> >> local Minnesota muslims perhaps? Would they be welcome?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:05 PM, John Burgeson (ASA member) <
> >> hossradbourne@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > One of the ASA's tenets is "Faith seeking understanding." I find that
> >> > Bernie's posts sometimes help me advance along that road. Fellowship,
> >> > to me, does not mean we must all be in lockstep.
> >> >
> >> > David's extreme fundamentalism is also a help. As do others here.
> >> > Probably he would objectto the description. I describe it as it
> >> > appears to me. It does not impede our fellowship in any way.
> >> >
> >> > On 9/16/09, David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > Bernie,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > David said:
> >> > > “I'd like to ask if there is any tenet of Christianity you would
> >> > > defend
> >> > as
> >> > > being true? “
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I’m in the state of mind now that I’m against the beliefs of all
> >> > ‘revealed
> >> > > religions,’ but I think there is some good stuff in there. For
> >> > > example,
> >> > in
> >> > > Christianity, I like the ideas of “the fruit of the spirit” and
> focus
> >> > > on
> >> > > emotional maturity.
> >> > >
> >> > > My response to that is the apostle Paul wrote about how if Jesus
> >> > > didn't
> >> > rise
> >> > > from the dead then faith is all in vain. That certainly would
> apply
> >> > > to
> >> > > what you are saying here too. Christianity *is* the messiah.
> Without
> >> > Him
> >> > > there isn't any truth in Christianity - it's all a bunch of flowers
> >> > > and
> >> > > rosey feelings and garbage. A human made religion. So what you are
> >> > saying
> >> > > is what you like about it is the human made religion part. Thats
> what
> >> > > I
> >> > > meant when I referred previously to Churchianity.
> >> > > That's watered down Christianity (what CS Lewis calls "Christianity
> >> > > and
> >> > > water" - the analog of scotch and water). You've been taken for a
> >> > > ride
> >> > by
> >> > > western secular culture Bernie.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm going to try to make this my very last response to you. Maybe if
> >> > > you
> >> > > were to show that you have absorbed some of CS Lewis's works I'd
> >> > > change
> >> > my
> >> > > mind. But I have to cut it off for now.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Burgy
> >> >
> >> > www.burgy.50megs.com
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Burgy
>
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