RE: [asa] Fw: book "By Design"

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"The Bible says that birds evolved before land reptiles, which is in disagreement with evolutionary theory--that birds came AFTER reptiles. I think I ready somewhere that some paleontologists have found ancient birds which are, indeed, older than reptiles (but I need to check more on this)."

Actually, the Bible literally says that birds came before ALL land animals, not just reptiles.

Gen 1

 20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day.

 24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

As for the flagellum, who cares if you remove a part and it still works. The IC theory says that it must be BUILT all together, not step-wise, so it makes all the difference in the world by trying to figure out how it can be built step-wise to displace the IC theory. So it is a valid criticism below, if true.

As for me, I don't care about IC, because it is an argument against evolution, but we know evolution happened because of genomic studies across different species.

...Bernie

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of John Walley

Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:16 PM

To: AmericanScientificAffiliation

Subject: [asa] Fw: book "By Design"

FYI This is from a biology prof friend of mine. Any response on the "The fact that the bacterial flagellum came FIRST just blows away Miller's ideas" comment?

John

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 Am reading a book called "By Design" by Jonathan Sarfati.

The book is EXCELLENT.

Did you know that the bacterial transporter--Type III Secretory System (TTSS) that Kenneth R. Miller (author of the book "Finding Darwin's God") talks about actually evolved LATER than the bacterial flagellum? Miller claims that the bacterial flagellum is NOT "irreducibly complex" because he says the TTSS protein have significant components in common with the flagellum. Only about 10 components of the 40 in the bacterial flagellum are in common with the bacterial transporter. 30 proteins are brand new. The fact that the bacterial flagellum came FIRST just blows away Miller's ideas, and argues that the flagellum was a PLANNED, designed system for bacterial locomotion.

"Scott Minnich, of the University of Idaho, a world expert on the flagellar motor disagrees with Scientific American and Miller" p. 137 of book.

The TTSS protein acts as a kind of molecular pump, which can inject toxins into cells (Ex, Yersinia pestis, the causative agent of the bubonic plague). According to the book, the TTSS secretory apparatus is a "degeneration from the flagellum." If the flagellum assembly is diabled, "it can punch out proteins (including toxins) in a haphazard way, as the TTSS does." p 138 of book.

Also included: conch shells, turtle magnetic navigation, gecko feet adhesives, the simplest life, the cell, etc.

ISBN # 978-0-949806-72-4

The Bible says that birds evolved before land reptiles, which is in disagreement with evolutionary theory--that birds came AFTER reptiles. I think I ready somewhere that some paleontologists have found ancient birds which are, indeed, older than reptiles (but I need to check more on this).

I still think that evolution CANNOT explain the great degree of complexity in life forms given our short period of geologic time.

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Received on Thu Sep 17 11:57:33 2009