RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (miracle timing)

What scientific questions creation by TE answers that cannot be answered
by ordinary, non-theistic evolutionary theory?

Moorad

From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Dehler, Bernie
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:49 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (miracle timing)

"And you draw a false distinction by implying that creation by TE is not
a miracle. I think it is, but just not a sudden miracle, a timed release
one."

A "time-released" miracle- that sounds funny,,, and I like it! ;-)

...Bernie

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of John Walley
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:36 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu; James Patterson; gregoryarago@yahoo.ca
Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (Cheek turning)

>'The science' (rather monolithically stated) is a bit too big for its
britches sometimes, isn't >it John?

No I don't think so. I too was an RTB PC like James for years until I
read Francis Collins and found someone who dealt with the scientific
evidence honestly. That is why I say psuedogenes are the smoking gun for
CD. Once you accept that, the only intellectually honest conclusion is
TE, which is where I came to, albeit kicking and screaming.

I understand and empathize with the RTB PC position and I know giving it
up is painful, but it just doesn't work.

And you draw a false distinction by implying that creation by TE is not
a miracle. I think it is, but just not a sudden miracle, a timed release
one. TE and OEC are not that far apart on most issues except this very
one but it is a major one. It means the difference between science and
faith, and relevance and scorn.

But I will rephrase my use of "'the scientific and thinking community"
to "the rational and thinking community". I know there are exceptions
like YEC including scientists but again I contend that the only rational
conclusion of the evidence of CD is TE. All this hand waving and appeals
to "appearance of imperfection" arguments are embarassing and just
really immature.

Thanks

John

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