RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (miracle timing)

Moorad,

It looks like your question has been answered sufficiently. In fact probably more so than you bargained for.

The important point is not whether TE can be differentiated from non-TE, nor does it need to be, but that TE can be differentiated from YEC and PC because it reconciles science and faith without being falsified and without having to resort to all the what if speculations.

John

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu> wrote:

> From: Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu>
> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (miracle timing)
> To: "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com>, asa@calvin.edu
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:56 PM
> What scientific questions creation by TE answers that cannot
> be answered
> by ordinary, non-theistic evolutionary theory?
>
> Moorad
>
>
>
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of Dehler, Bernie
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:49 PM
> To: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (miracle
> timing)
>
>
>
> "And you draw a false distinction by implying that
> creation by TE is not
> a miracle. I think it is, but just not a sudden miracle, a
> timed release
> one."
>
>
>
> A "time-released" miracle- that sounds funny,,,
> and I like it! ;-)
>
>
>
> ...Bernie
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of John Walley
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:36 PM
> To: asa@calvin.edu; James Patterson; gregoryarago@yahoo.ca
> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (Cheek
> turning)
>
>
>
> >'The science' (rather monolithically stated) is
> a bit too big for its
> britches sometimes, isn't >it John?
>
>
>
> No I don't think so. I too was an RTB PC like James for
> years until I
> read Francis Collins and found someone who dealt with the
> scientific
> evidence honestly. That is why I say psuedogenes are the
> smoking gun for
> CD. Once you accept that, the only intellectually honest
> conclusion is
> TE, which is where I came to, albeit kicking and screaming.
>
>
>
>
> I understand and empathize with the RTB PC position and I
> know giving it
> up is painful, but it just doesn't work.
>
>
>
> And you draw a false distinction by implying that creation
> by TE is not
> a miracle. I think it is, but just not a sudden miracle, a
> timed release
> one. TE and OEC are not that far apart on most issues
> except this very
> one but it is a major one. It means the difference between
> science and
> faith, and relevance and scorn.
>
>
>
> But I will rephrase my use of "'the scientific and
> thinking community"
> to "the rational and thinking community". I know
> there are exceptions
> like YEC including scientists but again I contend that the
> only rational
> conclusion of the evidence of CD is TE. All this hand
> waving and appeals
> to "appearance of imperfection" arguments are
> embarassing and just
> really immature.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> John

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Received on Wed Oct 29 18:57:38 2008