Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (Cheek turning)

Agreed again. It is the equivalent as the YEC's "Appearance of Age" conundrum and we ex-RTBers call it the "Appearance of Ancestry" argument.

They concede it looks like we share ancestry with chimps but dismiss the actual conclusion.

Thanks

John

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Jack Syme <drsyme@verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Jack Syme <drsyme@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (Cheek turning)
> To: james000777@bellsouth.net, "gordon brown" <Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU>, asa@calvin.edu
> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:43 PM
> It isnt just that the gene is broken. It is that the place
> that the gene is
> broken is the same in species that are more closely
> related. Of course
> guinea pigs cant make vitamin C either, but that mutation
> is different.
> Since humans are more closely related genetically to apes,
> than other
> primates and other animals, and that the mutation in apes
> and humans is the
> same, but different in guinea pigs, is evidence that there
> was a common
> ancestor to apes and humans, that was not a common ancestor
> to other
> primates and guinea pigs, as well as all the other mammals,
> birds etc.
>
> In fact vitamin C metabolism is only one example of many
> such pseudogenes.
> They can be mapped out in a phylogenetic pattern, and the
> more closely
> related species share the same number of pseudogenes, as
> well as restriction
> enzyme sites, chromosomal banding patterns, etc.
>
> If all species were created individually why would all of
> these copies of
> defective genes be recreated exactly as the other defective
> genes are
> created? To say that God chose to do it this way, is the
> same as saying God
> created the universe to appear old.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <james000777@bellsouth.net>
> To: "gordon brown"
> <Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU>; <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (Cheek
> turning)
>
>
> >I had the same answer when we discussed this at RTB (I
> am a volunteer
> >apologist there). No enzyme to create vitamin C means a
> healthier diet is
> >needed. I still haven't seen a good reply, except
> that because the gene
> >doesn't work it must be "broken".
> > James Patterson
> >
> > -------------- Original message from gordon brown
> > <Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU>: --------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Dehler, Bernie wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I think the best evidence for evolution, that man
> came from an apelike
> > creature and was not abruptly made by fiat, is
> pseudogenes. The book by
> > Hugh
> > Ross in "Who was Adam" has a good section on
> details on this (Ross is old
> > earth
> > and rejects evolution, but admits they have no
> response to the pseudogene
> > argument). An example (in the book by Ross) is the
> pseudogene for an
> > enzyme to
> > create vitamin c (asorbic acid). Lower life forms
> have it, so they make
> > their
> > own vitamin c. Apes and humans have a corrupted
> version, so we can't make
> > it
> > and need to get vitamin c from our diet. Why would
> the fall curse humans
> > and
> >
> >> apes (by messing up this gene) but not other
> animals?
> >
> >> >
> >
> >>
> >
> >> My remark here is not directed for or against your
> main point. Rather it
> >
> >> is prompted by your last claim above. Why should
> inability to produce our
> >
> >> own vitamin C be considered a curse? I like to
> drink orange juice.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
> >
> >>
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