Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (Cheek turning)

It isnt just that the gene is broken. It is that the place that the gene is
broken is the same in species that are more closely related. Of course
guinea pigs cant make vitamin C either, but that mutation is different.
Since humans are more closely related genetically to apes, than other
primates and other animals, and that the mutation in apes and humans is the
same, but different in guinea pigs, is evidence that there was a common
ancestor to apes and humans, that was not a common ancestor to other
primates and guinea pigs, as well as all the other mammals, birds etc.

In fact vitamin C metabolism is only one example of many such pseudogenes.
They can be mapped out in a phylogenetic pattern, and the more closely
related species share the same number of pseudogenes, as well as restriction
enzyme sites, chromosomal banding patterns, etc.

If all species were created individually why would all of these copies of
defective genes be recreated exactly as the other defective genes are
created? To say that God chose to do it this way, is the same as saying God
created the universe to appear old.

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From: <james000777@bellsouth.net>
To: "gordon brown" <Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU>; <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (Cheek turning)

>I had the same answer when we discussed this at RTB (I am a volunteer
>apologist there). No enzyme to create vitamin C means a healthier diet is
>needed. I still haven't seen a good reply, except that because the gene
>doesn't work it must be "broken".
> James Patterson
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>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Dehler, Bernie wrote:
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>> I think the best evidence for evolution, that man came from an apelike
> creature and was not abruptly made by fiat, is pseudogenes. The book by
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> Ross in "Who was Adam" has a good section on details on this (Ross is old
> earth
> and rejects evolution, but admits they have no response to the pseudogene
> argument). An example (in the book by Ross) is the pseudogene for an
> enzyme to
> create vitamin c (asorbic acid). Lower life forms have it, so they make
> their
> own vitamin c. Apes and humans have a corrupted version, so we can't make
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> and need to get vitamin c from our diet. Why would the fall curse humans
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>> apes (by messing up this gene) but not other animals?
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>> My remark here is not directed for or against your main point. Rather it
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>> is prompted by your last claim above. Why should inability to produce our
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>> own vitamin C be considered a curse? I like to drink orange juice.
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>> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
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