Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs

How ironic that not two hours after I posted a comment about the
unhelpful nature of "ad hominem" attacks, that you should post one of
the worst and most insulting ones I have ever seen. Boasting about
the length of your publication list and accusing your opponent of
being a "two-bit" scientist doesn't match up to my idea of a civilised
debate.

And despite your protestations of how distinguished a physicist you
are (I don't doubt that), it would certainly appear that the Earth
History Research Center is advocating a YEC position.

Iain

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu> wrote:
> If you are not feeble-minded, would you kindly read the papers that appear in my CV http://origins.swau.edu/who/moorad/cmoorad98.html <http://origins.swau.edu/who/moorad/cmoorad98.html> . After you do that, you will have to shut your face and prove that you are nothing perhaps but a two-bit scientist, if not a two-bit charlatan.
>
>
> Moorad
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Michael Roberts [mailto:michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk]
> Sent: Sat 10/25/2008 3:03 AM
> To: Alexanian, Moorad; asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
>
>
>
> I refer to the website of the Earth History Research Center.
>
> I rest my case
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
> To: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>; "George Cooper"
> <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>; <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
>
>
> Michael, show me anything I have written or said that agrees with your
> statement that I am a YEC. You will find none. That is your problem; you
> assume erroneously and so conclude foolishly.
>
>
>
> Moorad
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Michael Roberts
> Sent: Fri 10/24/2008 6:23 PM
> To: George Cooper; asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
>
>
>
> As Moorad is a YEc he is hardly liable to see YEC as a stumbling block -
> which of course it is.
>
> I like your land of Silly but the main road out leads to the slough of
> despond (and doubt)
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Cooper" <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
>
>
>> Moorad said," I am not sure what are you trying to convince this gentleman
>> of. Is there an obstacle for this gentleman to seek God's kingdom and His
>> righteousness, which you are trying to remove?"
>>
>> Your focus is wise, but I struggle with this issue.
>>
>> In this case, it seems that Dennis' friends are the ones trying to
>> convince
>> him, since he said he is the rod (not the lightning). Yes, there is an
>> obstacle. The issue is not some sidebar to the Roman Road, such as the age
>> of the Earth, it is how far Christians (mostly "good" ones, too) are
>> willing
>> to push the Bible into the land of Silly. The sillier people make Genesis
>> look, the sillier the Bible looks, and the sillier our faith appears to
>> unbelievers. If the Bible is unreasonable or irrational, then we have a
>> problem.
>>
>> "Coope"
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Dennis Venema
>> Sent: Fri 10/24/2008 5:00 PM
>> To: asa@calvin.edu
>> Subject: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
>>
>>
>> I seem to be something of a lightning rod for YECs in my local church
>> sphere. At present I am discussing these issues with a gentleman from my
>> congregation, but I am not making much progress in having him try to
>> understand my point of view. We can't even get past the age-of-the-earth
>> issue. He is not interested in looking at any evidence, either.
>>
>> I am interested in what advice folks might have - I am especially
>> interested
>> in hearing from those of you who used to be YECs but now accept an old
>> earth. What was useful to you as you made the transition?
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@calvin.edu with
>> "unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message.
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@calvin.edu with
>> "unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@calvin.edu with
> "unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@calvin.edu with
> "unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message.
>

-- 
-----------
Non timeo sed caveo
-----------
To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@calvin.edu with
"unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message.