Re: [asa] Martian ice caps

You quoted the science, now you consider the source to be flawed? How quaint.

Btw I love your formatting efforts, colors, larger script. It almost
looks like an argument

On 9/12/07, Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> At 11:16 PM 9/11/2007, PvM wrote:
>
>
> "...Soon you too will accept good science." ~ Pim
> @@ Your definition of what constitutes "good science" has very little
> credibility with me because:
>
> # [1] I know you to be one of those "scientists" that K. Emmanuel talks
> about here:
>
> "The evolution of the scientific debate about anthropogenic [man-caused]
> climate change illustrates both the value of skepticism and the pitfalls of
> partisanship." " Scientists ... reputation for impartiality is severely
> compromised by the shocking lack of political diversity among American
> academics, who suffer from the kind of group-think that develops in
> cloistered cultures. Until this profound and well documented intellectual
> homogeneity changes, scientists will be suspected of constituting a leftist
> think tank." "On the left, an argument emerged urging fellow scientists to
> deliberately exaggerate their findings so as to galvanize an apathetic
> public..." ~ K*rry Emmanuel - MIT
>
> QUOTE: "As __a typical__ AmericanD*mocrat, I will not vote for Kucinich
> even though his views most closely matches my own... because I have been
> told he can't win." ~ Pim ABC News Censors Poll Because Kucinich Won by
> pvm http://politics.reddit.com/user/pvm/
>
> Pictured at #20 here:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1895154/posts?page=20#20
> And other _typical_ ones that K. Emmanuel talks about are pictured at #18
> here:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1894453/posts?page=18#18
>
>
> # [2]: You ignore or reject any and all credentialed scientists -
> including those on this very list - who have a different opinion about what
> constitutes "good science" if it doesn't match yours, you overlook the FACT
> that the ones you choose to believe have plainly ADMITTED that they think
> it's okay to lie to the public and exaggerate the truth, and you play down
> the political intentions of the eco-extremists that you support:
>
> "Recently many people have said that the earth is facing a crisis requiring
> urgent action. This statement has nothing to do with science. Frankly, the
> very idea of consensus in such an immature and multi- faceted subject as
> climate change should be suspicious ab initio. Consensus is largely a
> propaganda claim designed to relieve ordinary people of the need to
> understand the issue. This is neither good for science nor for public
> policy. . " ~ Richard S. Lindzed the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of
> Meteorology at MIT. Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged
> Scientific Consensus
> http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html
> Vol.15, No. 2, Spring 1992
>
> QUOTE: "Scientists who buy unhesitatingly into climate models are playing a
> high-risk game. They could lose big. How will Christians look if they
> eagerly buy in and then the climate models prove to be wrong for whatever
> reason? The wiser course is to hedge bets. ~ Don Winterstein - Tue, 6
> Feb 2007 - 6:58 PM Re: [asa] Level of certainty in science
>
> QUOTE: "We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic
> statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us
> has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being
> honest." ~ Stephen Schneider (leading advocate of the global warming
> theory) (in interview for Discover magazine, Oct 1989)
>
> QUOTE: "The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private
> property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an
> enormous priority on alternative energy sources. This is what
> ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now."
> (Louis Proyect, Columbia University, 27 November 1997)
>
> QUOTE: "..Science is dazzling, and you can bamboozle all sorts of smart
> people with a few whizz bang proofs and a lot of nonsense equations. If you
> have some fancy gadget to show, that's even better. Pretty soon, people are
> like a bunch of dumb dogs staring at flashing lights and loud noises. Who
> wouldn't envy such glitter and want to emply its tinsel shine to their
> apologetics. Proof, by science. It's just so inviting that the temptation
> is irresistible! Religion is just difficult to add that pizzazz, but we
> surely hunger for it, because science is so powerful and impressive. .." ~
> Wayne Dawsonzhu@aol.com Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:34:04 EST Re: Self-deception,
> faith, and scepticism
> http://www.calvin.edu/archive/asa/200602/0328.html
>
> QUOTE: "The problem is that greed, lust of the world with its the trappings
> of power and influence, and the ability to find all manner of specious
> pretext to exploit and abuse out brothers and sisters in Christ, all
> conspire to tempt even those who have some fear of the Lord to sin." ~ Wayne
> Dawsonzhu@aol.com Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:43:15 EST Re: The Left Hand of God or
> "is God a [s-word]"
> http://www.calvin.edu/archive/asa/200603/0292.html
>
> QUOTE: "The data don't matter. We're not basing our recommendations [for
> reductions in carbon dioxide emissions] upon the data. We're basing them
> upon the climate models" (Chris Folland, UK Meteorological Office)
>
> QUOTE: "The climate modelers have been cheating for so long it's almost
> become respectable" (Richard Kerr, discussing adjustments in climate models,
> Science 1997)
>
> Ad infinitum ~ Janice
>
>
> On 9/11/07, Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net> wrote:>
> > At 12:15 PM 9/11/2007, George L. Murphygmurphy@raex.com wrote:
> > "...Seasonal effects on Mars are exacerbated in comparison with earth
> because of the fact that, while the inclination of Mar's axis is about the
> same as earth's, its orbital eccentricity > is significantly greater
> (roughly 1/11 in comparison with 1/60). So briefly, care is needed in
> comparing the 2 planets. While Burgy's friend may be a good geologist,
> he/she may not be > a knowledgeable areologist." ~ George
> > @ No kidding.
> >
> > Pluto Sees Global Warming: MIT
> > http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/pluto.html
> >
> > Global Warming on Jupiter: Hubble Telescope
> >
> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html
> >
> > Neptune's Moon Getting Warmer: Hubble Telescope
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/120259.stm
> >
> > Mars Emerging from Ice Age: NASA
> >
> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html
> >
> > ~ Janice
>

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