Re: [asa] Martian ice caps

At 11:16 PM 9/11/2007, PvM wrote:

>"...Soon you too will accept good science." ~ Pim

@@ Your definition of what constitutes "good science" has very
little credibility with me because:

  # [1] I know you to be one of those "scientists" that K. Emmanuel
talks about here:

"The evolution of the scientific debate about
anthropogenic [man-caused] climate change illustrates both the
value of skepticism and the pitfalls of partisanship." " Scientists
... reputation for impartiality is severely compromised by the
shocking lack of political diversity among American academics, who
suffer from the kind of group-think that develops in cloistered
cultures. Until this profound and well documented intellectual
homogeneity changes, scientists will be suspected of constituting a
leftist think tank." "On the left, an argument emerged urging fellow
scientists to deliberately exaggerate their findings so as to
galvanize an apathetic public..." ~ K*rry Emmanuel - MIT

QUOTE: "As __a typical__ AmericanD*mocrat, I will not vote for
Kucinich even though his views most closely matches my own... because
I have been told he can't win." ~
Pim <http://www.intosanity.com/?p=26>ABC News Censors Poll Because
Kucinich Won by
<http://politics.reddit.com/user/pvm//user/pvm>pvm
http://politics.reddit.com/user/pvm/

Pictured at #20
here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1895154/posts?page=20#20
And other _typical_ ones that K. Emmanuel talks about are pictured at
#18 here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1894453/posts?page=18#18

  # [2]: You ignore or reject any and all credentialed scientists -
including those on this very list - who have a different opinion
about what constitutes "good science" if it doesn't match yours, you
overlook the FACT that the ones you choose to believe have plainly
ADMITTED that they think it's okay to lie to the public and
exaggerate the truth, and you play down the political intentions of
the eco-extremists that you support:

"Recently many people have said that the earth is facing a crisis
requiring urgent action. This statement has nothing to do with
science. Frankly, the very idea of consensus in such an immature and
multi- faceted subject as climate change should be suspicious ab
initio. Consensus is largely a propaganda claim designed to relieve
ordinary people of the need to understand the issue. This is neither
good for science nor for public policy. . " ~ Richard S.
Lindzed the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at
MIT. Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific
Consensus
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html Vol.15,
No. 2, Spring 1992

QUOTE: "Scientists who buy unhesitatingly into climate models are
playing a high-risk game. They could lose big. How will Christians
look if they eagerly buy in and then the climate models prove to be
wrong for whatever reason? The wiser course is to hedge
bets. ~ Don Winterstein - Tue, 6 Feb 2007 - 6:58 PM Re: [asa]
Level of certainty in science

QUOTE: "We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified,
dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may
have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between
being effective and being honest." ~ Stephen Schneider (leading
advocate of the global warming theory) (in interview for Discover
magazine, Oct 1989)

QUOTE: "The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private
property and production for human need. A socialist world would place
an enormous priority on alternative energy sources. This is what
ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some
time now." (Louis Proyect, Columbia University, 27 November 1997)

QUOTE: "..Science is dazzling, and you can bamboozle all sorts of
smart people with a few whizz bang proofs and a lot of nonsense
equations. If you have some fancy gadget to show, that's even
better. Pretty soon, people are like a bunch of dumb dogs staring at
flashing lights and loud noises. Who wouldn't envy such glitter and
want to emply its tinsel shine to their apologetics. Proof, by
science. It's just so inviting that the temptation is
irresistible! Religion is just difficult to add that pizzazz, but we
surely hunger for it, because science is so powerful and impressive.
.." ~ Wayne Dawsonzhu@aol.com Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:34:04 EST Re:
Self-deception, faith, and
scepticism http://www.calvin.edu/archive/asa/200602/0328.html

QUOTE: "The problem is that greed, lust of the world with its the
trappings of power and influence, and the ability to find all manner
of specious pretext to exploit and abuse out brothers and sisters in
Christ, all conspire to tempt even those who have some fear of the
Lord to sin." ~ Wayne Dawsonzhu@aol.com Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:43:15
EST Re: The Left Hand of God or "is God a [s-word]"
http://www.calvin.edu/archive/asa/200603/0292.html

QUOTE: "The data don't matter. We're not basing our recommendations
[for reductions in carbon dioxide emissions] upon the data. We're
basing them upon the climate models" (Chris Folland, UK Meteorological Office)

QUOTE: "The climate modelers have been cheating for so long it's
almost become respectable" (Richard Kerr, discussing adjustments in
climate models, Science 1997)

Ad infinitum ~ Janice

> On 9/11/07, Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net> wrote:>
> > At 12:15 PM 9/11/2007, George L. Murphygmurphy@raex.com wrote:
> > "...Seasonal effects on Mars are exacerbated in comparison with
> earth because of the fact that, while the inclination of Mar's axis
> is about the same as earth's, its orbital eccentricity > is
> significantly greater (roughly 1/11 in comparison with 1/60). So
> briefly, care is needed in comparing the 2 planets. While Burgy's
> friend may be a good geologist, he/she may not be >
> a knowledgeable areologist." ~ George
> > @ No kidding.
> >
> > Pluto Sees Global Warming: MIT
> > http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/pluto.html
> >
> > Global Warming on Jupiter: Hubble Telescope
> > http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html
> >
> > Neptune's Moon Getting Warmer: Hubble Telescope
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/120259.stm
> >
> > Mars Emerging from Ice Age: NASA
> > http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html
> >
> > ~ Janice

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