From: Alexanian, Moorad (alexanian@uncw.edu)
Date: Tue Apr 22 2003 - 09:48:40 EDT
Dear Jay,
There are all sorts of kinds of knowledge that have to be defined in
terms of subject matter and how truths or falsehood are established in
such disciplines. I was only dealing with science. I do not know how you
are going to "measure" the self in humans. Perhaps you can measure the
physical aspects of humans, but is that then all that there is to
humans? God is indeed not embedded in time but there is no way humans
can truly understand or visualize that. I suppose a possible way is the
four-dimensional diagrams we use in relativity. But then there is no way
we can represent our lives in such types of diagrams.
Moorad
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Willingham [mailto:jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:23 PM
To: Alexanian, Moorad; ASA
Subject: Re: ID science (subtopic 2)
Whilst we are waxing most philosophical....
Perhaps that accurately describes only physical science and that there
are
other species of knowledge, or science.
Of course, one might posit that eventually all phenomena will be
measured.
Then again, in the eternal now, do time and measure even matter?
Does not God sit looking at all matter throughout all time at once, as
if he
was looking at a tabletop train set?
Forgive me if I digress.
Jay Willingham
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
To: "D. F. Siemens, Jr." <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
Cc: <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>; <hvantill@chartermi.net>;
<gmurphy@raex.com>; <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: RE: ID science (subtopic 2)
> Scientists do look and record but, in principle, the data collected by
looking and recording can be done by machines. It may be cheaper and
more
convenient for a scientist, as physical device, to take data but such
data
collecting can be always done, in principle, by purely physical devices.
It
is easy to design a physical device that can measure the lengths of
things.
Man is part physical and as such can collect data, but if such data
cannot
be called by purely physical devices, then such data does not constitute
part of the subject matter of science. I find no other definition of
science that makes it clear that science ought to be objective and deal
solely with the physical aspect of reality. Moorad
>
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