From: Alexanian, Moorad (alexanian@uncw.edu)
Date: Tue Apr 22 2003 - 09:35:44 EDT
Michael,
The data taken by a human eye can be gathered by a purely physical
device. However, it is the "I" that makes the inferences from the data.
The addition of conscious, rational human beings gives us science and
interestingly enough such fundamental human features of rationality and
consciousness are never present in the laws of nature inferred from
purely physical data. Just as our characterization of the laws of
nature indicates conscious, rational human beings so does the
rationality of nature be used to infer intelligence behind the creation.
Moorad
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From: Michael Roberts [mailto:michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 5:32 PM
To: Alexanian, Moorad; D. F. Siemens, Jr.
Cc: hvantill@chartermi.net; gmurphy@raex.com; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: ID science (subtopic 2)
Eyeballs? With or without the "I"?
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From: "D. F. Siemens, Jr." <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
To: <alexanian@uncw.edu>
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<gmurphy@raex.com>; <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: ID science (subtopic 2)
>
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:54:08 -0400 "Alexanian, Moorad"
> <alexanian@uncw.edu> writes:
> > A purely physical device is one that is purely material and is, for
> > instance, devoid of life, self-consciousness, and lacks the ability
> > to
> > reason. One must distinguish between the data that makes up the
> > subject
> > matter of science and the intelligent being that set up the physical
> > equipment that collects the data and, subsequently, analyzes the
> > collected data and devolves mathematical models and theories that
> > correlate a multitude of data.
> >
> > Moorad
> >
> Moorad,
> If I take your claim seriously, then a scientist does not look or
record.
> About as simple a mechanical device as I can think of is a meter
stick. I
> have never known one to line itself up and declare the length. We now
> have recording devices that collect immense amounts of data and
analyze
> it so that the limited human inputs and analytical powers can hope to
> understand what is going on. But one may look at this as speeding up
what
> used to involve a person eyeballing a galvanometer or cloud
chamber--and
> possibly looking again to be sure of getting the reading right. Do
> eyeballs fall under "purely physical device"?
> Dave
>
>
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