Re: How Einstein and Hammond proved God exists

From: James W Stark (stark2301@voyager.net)
Date: Fri Aug 31 2001 - 22:22:46 EDT

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    on 8/31/01 3:21 AM, psiigii at psiigii@home.com wrote:

    >> >Thank you, James! God did not create mathematics, nor did He create
    >> physics.
    >
    > OK! Why not?
    > In my worldview reality consists of a physical universe (matter), a mental
    > world, (our awareness of the laws of mathematics as well as any subject
    > matter.), and the spiritual realm (known to us through our consciousness.)
    >
    > Humans only use mathematics and physics. Who or what created the laws used in
    > them, if it was not God?
    >
    >> >God created matter.
    >
    > Or should we say energy rather than matter? Einstein's discovery of E = mc2
    > can be interpreted to imply how much energy is required to give the appearance
    > of a certain amount of mass, which suggests that matter is an illusion. Did
    > God create matter an illusion? Eastern religions start creation with
    > illusion, while Christianity starts with truth.
    >
    > How do you feel about mathematics not always estimating truth?
    >
    > James Stark
    >
    >
    >> > "Physics" is just man's feeble attempt to grasp the true
    > essence of the matter God created. Mathematics is just the language man uses
    > in these attempts. As man's insights into the true nature of "material world"
    > grows,
    > the mathematical "language" we employ to conceptualize/formalize our
    > insights--
    > which, BTW, may still not be the true essence--has evolved to this end. In
    > the
    > end, however, physics is still man's attempt to understand, and mathematics is
    > still just man's language to verbalize our understanding (again, not
    > necessarily
    > being the truth). Both are man's creations, not God's.
    >
    > Howard Meyer
    >
    >
    > (BTW, George, I read your response to James before writing this...)
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "James W Stark" <stark2301@voyager.net>
    > To: "asa" <asa@calvin.edu>
    > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:04 AM
    > Subject: Re: How Einstein and Hammond proved God exists
    >
    >> > on 8/30/01 9:07 AM, George Hammond at ghammond@mediaone.net wrote:
    >> >
    >>> > > < large snip>
    >> >
    >>> > > If then, "Man is made in the image of God", Riemannian
    >>> > > geometry must be the description of God.. or more specifically,
    >>> > > Einstein's theory is. See:
    >>> > >
    >>> > > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/Rie-Helm-Weyl.html
    >> >
    >> > Quoting from this site:
    >> > _Now, beyond all this, what we see is that the "geometric properties
    >> > of space itself" are the CAUSAL FORCE that determines the geometrical
    >> > shape of the human body. Because of this, it turns out that the
    >> > "geometrical shape of the brain" is also determined and is found to
    >> > be "3-axis Cartesian" in SHAPE (notice I said SHAPE, not volume).
    >> > The Brain actually has Axes of mechanical symmetry, just like
    >> > the Body:_
    >> >
    >> > Why do you confine your concept of God to mathematics. Mathematics can
    >> only
    >> > estimate what might be fixed laws. It cannot guarantee truth. Physicists
    >> > are now suggesting that matter is an illusion.
    >> >
    >> > As a reference see: <http://www.calphysics.org/pop_articles.html>
    >> >
    >> > See the article Beyond E=mc2 for how we can reason this way. I quote:
    >> >
    >> > _It is actually a statement about how much energy is required to give the
    >> > appearance of a certain amount of mass, rather than about the conversion of
    >> > one fundamental thing, energy, into another fundamental thing, mass._
    >> >
    >> > [B. Haisch, A. Rueda & H.E. Puthoff, The Sciences, Vol. 34, No. 6, November
    >> > / December, pp. 26-31 (1994).]
    >> >
    >> > Mathematics cannot explain the truth of a non-deterministic free will.
    >> >
    >> > God used God's free will to create mathematics. The Christian God embraces
    >> > the truth of non-deterministic free will. Your association of God to a
    >> > mathematical proof cannot establish truth.
    >> >
    >> > James Stark
    >> >
    >> >
    >



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