Re: Neanderthal find hailed???

From: Stephen E. Jones (sejones@iinet.net.au)
Date: Sun Sep 03 2000 - 05:25:13 EDT

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    Reflectorites

    Here are excerpts from web articles for the period 23 August - 1
    September 2000, with my comments in square brackets.

    But first, here is an article in yesterday morning's newspaper, which I have
    been unable to find on the web this morning:

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    30 THE WEST AUSTRALIAN SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 2 2000

    [...]

    Neanderthal find hailed
    DUESSELDORF

    GERMAN scientists say they have found 50 new bone fragments and many
    stone tools at an excavation in the Neander Valley in Mettmann. near
    Duesseldorf, where an early form of homo sapiens was found in 1856. Ralf
    Schmitz and Juergen Thissen, who led a team of archaeologists, said an
    important new find was a fragment of facial skull that fitted like a puzzle
    piece with the incomplete skeleton that gave its name to the Neanderthal
    Man. The find confirmed the Neanderthal was not a direct predecessor of
    modern man.
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    Has anyone seen a web article on this? I have found something
    about Schmitz and Thissen's work as follows:

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    http://www.neanderthal.de/e_thal/pg_40.htm

    [...]

    New from the world of research
    New Finds in Neanderthal

    During the summer of 1997 the archaeologists Dr. Ralf W. Schmitz and
    Dr. J?rgen Thissen were contracted by the Rheinisches Amt f?r
    Bodendenkmalpflege to do several sondes on the banks of the D?ssel, with
    the goal of localizing portions of the former cave floor of the Feldhofer
    Cave. Supported by old maps and the results of earlier sondes that were
    carried out by the University of Cologne under Prof. Dr. Gerhard Bosinski
    in 1984, they were able to achieve a phenomenal piece of detective work.
    About 50 meters from the old sondes, they were able to locate the remains
    of a clayish cave filling with traces of occupation from ice age humans.
    This material had been shoveled out of the cave prior to blasting of the
    limestone during quarry work in 1856, and had bee heaped on the banks of
    the D?ssel. Debris from blasting had covered the heap, which then
    protected it from further destruction.

    Two heaps could be discerned, which partially overlapped each other in
    certain areas. One of these belonged to the Feldhofer Cave, the other
    probably to the adjacent "Feldhofer Kirche". According to historical
    reports the Feldhofer Cave was very small, the Feldhofer Kirche on the
    other hand was quite large. In addition, seven other caves are mentioned in
    historical reports.

    Stone tools and animal remains were found in both heaps. In addition to
    the animal remains, 20 fragments of human skeletal material of 10cm
    maximum length could be identified.

    What can be said with certainty at this point?

    The cave material from the Feldhofer Cave was localized. A small bone
    fragment from this matrix fits exactly on the left thigh bone from the
    Neanderthal of 1856. Bone fragments from an additional individual to the
    known Neanderthal from 1856 have been identified. Several of these bones
    are from portions of the skeleton which are totally intact in the old
    neanderthal. One of these "double" bones was dated with C-14 analysis at
    the ETH Zurich at about 40,000 B.P.. Stone tools were found in the
    remains from both caves which typologically belong in the middle
    paleolithic, and belong to the time of the neanderthals. In addition, more
    recent stone tools - from the upper paleolithic - were also found. It appears
    that these finds came originally from destroyed occupation layers in the
    Feldhofer Kirche.

    [...]
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    but it doesn't say anything about finding a matching facial fragment which
    confirmed that Neanderthals were not a direct predecessor of modern man.

    Steve

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_903000/903686.stm BBC
    ... 1 September, 2000 ... Clicking for consciousness Is the sky blue - yes or
    no? ... Web users are being invited to help create the first model of human
    thought. By collecting "atoms of information" a Canadian scientist hopes to
    be able to teach a computer what it means to be human. Once created, the
    body of knowledge will be made available to other artificial intelligence
    researchers trying to make machines smarter or easier to interact with. The
    project is expected to run for ten years or however long it takes to collect
    one billion nuggets of knowledge. Collecting common sense The Generic
    Artificial Consciousness project is the brainchild of researcher Chris
    McKinstry who wants to make computers think about the world like
    people do so that they become more useful. ... the inspiration for Gac
    (pronounced Jack) came from work he was doing on a computer that could
    pass the Turing test. ... In 1990 the Turing Test stopped being theoretical
    with the creation of the Loebner Prize in which computer programs
    compete to see which one is most human-like. ... the Turing Test is more
    an examination of human experience than it is a test of reasoning. But ... a
    computer that sees the world like we do and shares our knowledge of it is
    likely to be more useful than one that can think. With Gac he is attempting
    to create the computer that knows everything that people know about the
    world and can use it to reason. McKinstry knows he cannot codify
    common-sense consensus knowledge all by himself, there is just too much
    of it. So he is turning to the internet for help and asking anyone who is
    interested to contribute atoms of knowledge - or "mindpixels" as he calls
    them - to start building Gac's database. Each Mindpixel takes the form of a
    statement that can be answered yes or no. The answer must not change
    from person to person, location or time. ... He estimates that around one
    billion Mindpixels will be needed to capture this consensus information. He
    says Gac could take 10 years to complete because three times as many
    mindpixels will have to be gathered and winnowed down to the subset that
    everyone agrees on. Once complete, the database will be used to train a
    neural network. "We will reward and punish the design dependent on how
    it performs against this image of humanness," he said. ... [Leaving aside the
    problem of obtaining enough valid information, the fallacy here is equating
    storing and reguritating of information with *knowing* what it is. This is
    IMHO the central delusion of AI, which in turn is based on materialist
    philosophy that the mind is ultimately just "a computer made of meat".]

    http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/09/02/football.prayer/index.html CNN ...
    Texas turnout falls short in protest of Supreme Court school-prayer ban A
    sign outside a Santa Fe, Texas, church on Friday September 2, 2000 ...
    SANTA FE, Texas -- At the high school football stadium where the issue
    of school prayer touched off a constitutional debate, a protest planned
    Friday to defy the U.S. Supreme Court fell flat. ... Pro-prayer groups failed
    to muster significant protests against the U.S. Supreme Court's recent ban
    on school-sanctioned pregame prayers. ... In its 6-3 decision, the court
    ruled against the defendant, Santa Fe Independent School District, saying
    its approval of student-led prayers over the loudspeakers was
    unconstitutional. The prayers violated the separation of church and state,
    ruled the court. ... That decision, however, angered a group from Temple,
    Texas, called No Pray No Play. In defiance of the court's decision, the
    group tried to rally Texas Christians on Friday to pray as soon as national
    anthems ended at football games across the state. Members boldly
    predicted that 10,000 protesting Christians would converge at Santa Fe
    High School's home opener. But when the national anthem ended, only
    about 200 in the crowd of 4,500 recited "The Lord's Prayer." ... "I have a
    right to stand and pray and ask for God's blessings," said No Pray No Play
    spokesman the Rev. David Newsome ... But Dena Marks of the Anti-
    Defamation League ... told CNN the public prayers by No Pray No Pay
    members and other were insensitive. The Supreme Court's decision, she
    explained, was "designed to protect students of minority faiths "from being
    put into a coercive situation -- where they are listening to a prayer they
    don't want to listen to." ... Friday's recitations paled in comparison with
    other pre-game expressions of faith at football games around the country
    since the high court's ruling. High school football began last week in some
    states, and some prayer demonstrations already have occurred, most
    notably in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, when 4,500 fans stood to pray before a
    game. In Asheville, North Carolina, 25,000 people gathered at a football
    stadium for a rally sponsored by a group urging the recitation of "The
    Lord's Prayer" at football games. In Skiatook, Oklahoma, about 50 people
    bowed their heads in a pre-game invocation organized by a group of adults
    Friday. "We have a 50-year tradition here that will be done away with so
    easily because a few people don't think it's constitutional for children to
    pray at school," said Kevin Jordan, one of the organizers. "We just want to
    have the freedom to pray as we want, without imposing our beliefs on
    others." ... [I agree with this last point. But Jesus' emphasis was on private
    prayer and He criticised those who made public prayers for a show to
    others (Mt 6:5-6). Maybe the best solution is to allow a minute's silence so
    those who want to pray silently can do so?]

    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000830/sc/computers_robots_dc_1.ht
    ml Yahoo! ... August 30 ... Robotic System Can Design, Make Other
    Robots-Study LONDON (Reuters) - Cheaply-produced robots that can
    perform mundane chores may be a step closer thanks to American scientists
    who have made a robotic system that can for the first time design and
    construct other robots. The system operates with almost no human
    intervention. "The robotic system is creating little toy robots completely
    automatically. All the humans are doing is snapping in the motors,"
    explained Jordan Pollack .... The tiny plastic prototype robots look like
    toys but they could represent the future of affordable robotics. "This is, I
    think, a harbinger of a new industry where dumb robots for specific tasks
    like vacuuming or clean-up or assembly can be automatically designed and
    manufactured without human engineers and high-cost machining," Pollack
    said .... "So the robots are cheap enough to be useful and practical. "The
    robotic system spits out 8X8X12 inch maximum pieces of plastic that look
    like toys but are fully functional robots that move around," ... The research
    ... works on both the body and the brain of the robot. It takes computer
    software, the brains, and incorporates it into the hardware, or body, of the
    robot. Hod Lipson ... described it as "nearly a self-replicating artificial life
    system." It follows an earlier Brandeis project in which a computer used
    evolutionary steps to design a bridge made of children's LEGO blocks. ....
    However, automatically-produced robots would still be designed for
    specific tasks and would not be the all-purpose humanoids of science
    fiction. In a separate report... Laurent Keller ... described how they taught
    robots community spirit by programming them to behave like ants in
    foraging for food. They found that "group dynamics of swarms of robots
    may follow similar rules to those governing social insects." ... [Personally I
    expect that humans may eventually be able to design and build robots that
    can design and build other robots, and maybe even event eventually design
    robots that can *improve* the design of the "offspring" robots. But the
    design would have originally been latent in the original design at the
    beginning: they would have to be designed to do the designing of improved
    design! Still it would be interesting to see how far such improvements
    could get without the infusion of new information. My guess there is a limit
    on how much information one could program into such a computer at the
    beginning and that to have any major new innovations would require the
    external infusion of new information. Of course this is still a model for
    Design, not Naturalistic Evolution, which claims that this all designing
    started with *no* design at all!]

    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000829/sc/pope_cloning_dc_1.html
    Yahoo! ... August 29 ... Pope Tells Scientists Cloning Morally
    Unacceptable .... ROME (Reuters) - Pope John Paul Tuesday praised
    science for its dedication to preserving human life but described as "morally
    unacceptable" any form of human embryo cloning or commercialization of
    organ transplants. Addressing an international conference on transplant
    techniques, the Pope said respect for human life should be the guiding
    principle in determining the boundary of scientific experimentation. "Every
    medical procedure performed on the human person is subject to limits: not
    just the limits of what is technically possible, but also limits determined by
    respect for human nature itself," the 80-year-old Pontiff said in a rare
    public address. "What is technically possible is not for that reason alone
    morally admissible," he said. ... "Transplants are a great step forward in
    science's service of man, and not a few people today owe their lives to an
    organ transplant," ... "(But) any procedure which tends to commercialize
    human organs or to consider them as items of exchange or trade must be
    considered morally unacceptable," he said, adding that any transplant
    should be non- discriminatory and non-utilitarian, that is, based solely on
    immunological and clinical factors. ... "Methods that fail to respect the
    dignity and value of the person must always be avoided. I am thinking in
    particular of attempts at human cloning with a view to obtaining organs for
    transplants. "These techniques, insofar as they involve the manipulation and
    destruction of human embryos, are not morally acceptable, even when their
    proposed goal is good in itself," he said. Yet, while drawing a strict line on
    embryo stem cells, the Pope said it was morally permissible to conduct
    research on adult stem cells, an already active field. ... the Catholic Church
    opposes any tampering with embryos, teaching that life begins at the
    moment of conception. ... [This is IMHO the right balance. Stem cell
    research is OK on adult cells but not on human embryos which are (or even
    were) potential human beings.]

    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000825/sc/space_jupiter_dc_2.html ...
    Yahoo! ... August 25 ... New Evidence Suggests Ocean on Icy Jupiter
    Moon ... WASHINGTON (Reuters) - New information provides the
    strongest evidence yet that lying beneath the icy surface of one of Jupiter's
    moons may be a salty ocean of water, one of the necessary ingredients for
    life ... Scientists said data from NASA's Galileo spacecraft suggest the
    presence of water in liquid form on Europa, a moon similar in size to the
    Earth's. ... Galileo collected data from magnetic fields and scientists found
    patterns that indicated the possibility of water ... While they did not rule
    out other scenarios, the scientists said water was the most likely
    explanation... Even though it is buried beneath a thick layer of ice, life
    forms could draw energy from heat sources below, just as deep sea
    creatures do in the Earth's oceans .... "Such a process could easily be
    occurring on Europa,".... Given the findings, Europa ranks just behind
    Mars as bodies in the solar system that merit further exploration for life
    forms ... NASA says it hopes to send another spacecraft there, although the
    space agency's missions have been hindered by budget constraints. ... See
    also: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/08/25/europa.water.02/index.html
    & http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_895000/895634.stm
    [Hugh Ross discusses this "just add water" assumption in respect of Mars,
    in his latest Connections (not yet webbed), where he points out that:
    "While no one disputes the necessity of water for life, science has shown
    that liquid water is merely one of *many* requirements for life, not the
    *only* requirement. Researchers have identified more than a hundred
    different requirements, independent of water, for life to exist on any given
    planet in any given planetary system.... Even if all the other requirements
    were met on a planet, the presence of liquid water is not enough to support
    life. Living creatures need an abundance of water in all three states (gas,
    liquid, and solid) available for a long time." (Ross H., "Water on Mars:
    What Does it Mean?", Connections, Third Quarter 2000, pp.1-2)]

    http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/08/25/galaxy.test.ap/index.html
    CNN ... Galaxy experiment could answer some big questions August 25,
    2000 ... EUGENE, Oregon (AP) -- It is a question that's plagued scientists
    for centuries, but one that is nagging University of Oregon astronomer
    Greg Bothun in particular: What is the universe made of? Bothun is
    crunching numbers in an experiment that could narrow the field of possible
    answers by later this year. He is trying to determine the exact distance from
    Earth to a particular galaxy he has been studying. If that galaxy is where
    standard Newtonian physics says it should be, Bothun will publish the
    results and go back to looking for missing mass -or "dark matter" -- among
    the unseen, burned-out stars. What he may find, however, is the possibility
    the measurements will place that galaxy much farther away than current
    calculations say it should be. That would mean in deep space, gravity,
    which affects an object's speed and distance, starts to fade in a way that
    current theory says it shouldn't. The possibility is more than a little
    disturbing to astrophysicists, who say it would blow a hole in Einstein's
    theory of relativity big enough to drive a spaceship through. "If it turns out
    to be at the (farther) distance, that will be a real difficulty for me," Bothun
    said. "It would confirm a theory I don't believe." Most other astronomers
    are similarly skeptical, and Bothun said a preliminary peek at the data
    seems to support Einstein and discount the so-called "funny gravity"
    theory. But he and his colleagues won't rest easy until the final data come
    together late this fall. ... [This is *real* science: being prepared to propose
    a test that could prove a theory that one doesn't believe in. Compare that
    with pseudosciences like Darwinism which only looks for confirming evidence
    of its theory and personally attacks critics as "ignorant, stupid or insane
    ... or wicked" (Dawkins, 1989)]

    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000827/sc/dolphins_dc_3.html ...
    Yahoo! ... August 27 ... Dolphin 'Nicknames' Help Them Hook Up in
    Murk ... WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Dolphins greet one another by
    "name," using signature whistles to keep track of one another in murky
    waters and across distances, a researcher says. While he hesitates to say the
    dolphins are actually using language, the researcher said the study shows
    dolphins have a clear and consistent vocabulary and are able to identify one
    another as individuals. "Each dolphin develops a very specific signature
    signal," biologist Vincent Janik ... said .... "They always use the same call.
    Some people call it a name." But because the dolphins seem to develop
    their own signature whistles, Janik said the calls are more like Internet
    screen names or handles. Janik studied wild bottlenose dolphins off the
    Moray Firth, Scotland's coast. He recorded 1,719 whistles using six
    hydrophones and a computerbased method for finding individual dolphins
    as they made the calls.... Each dolphin makes its own, distinctive whistle,
    Janik found. ... like monkeys and other primates, the dolphins use
    distinctive calls when they have found food. .... "It was very clear that this
    was a feeding call. If one dolphin found food, they would produce this call.
    The others would rush in." So does it qualify as language? "I always try to
    avoid the term 'language,"' Janik said. "But it is certainly a complex
    communication system." ... See also
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_894000/894944.stm [It is
    a refreshing change to find an animal behaviourist *not* claiming that his
    subjects are using language!]

    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000823/sc/intelligence_dc_1.html
    Yahoo! ... August 23 ... Animal Behaviorists in Chicago to Share Research
    ... CHICAGO (Reuters) - Female chimps tend to hold grudges, baboons
    generally respect "marriage" bonds within their group, sea lions pick fights
    they think they can win, and dolphin life resembles a soap opera. These are
    among the findings of animal behaviorists, studying animals from parrots to
    whales, who began a four-day conference ... to share insights into how
    animals communicate, learn their own "culture" and maintain social order.
    "The purpose is to bring together people who work on different animal
    species and normally don't talk much together," said conference organizer
    Frans de Waal, a psychologist who studies primates ... presentations are
    scheduled on whales, dolphins, parrots, elephants, hyenas and all manner of
    primates at the conference entitled "Animal Social Complexity and
    Intelligence." A scientist who trails sperm whales -- the largest-brained
    animal on Earth -- said he had found a female-dominated, egalitarian
    society resembling that of the African elephant. .... Decoding dolphins'
    complex vocalizations ... may hold clues to their highly changeable social
    groupings. Male dolphins will form alliances in pairs and trios to "herd"
    females for as long as a month, then form larger groupings to steal females
    from other trios. Sexual pairings switch constantly, dolphin homosexuality
    is common, and their vocalizations indicate they "bitch at each other a lot,"
    said Richard Connor ... . Baboons too have a complex social structure
    respectful of "marriage" ... "Females preferred certain males, and other
    males knew them and respected the pair bond," Kummer said .... Research
    presented on California sea lions in captivity have shown they can reason.
    They can work out that "if A equals B, and B equals C, then A equals C,"
    said Ronald Schusterman .... In the wild, male sea lions will fight a male
    that they have seen beaten by another that they in turn have defeated -- a
    similar reasoning process. Or they may fight a male already exhausted by a
    just-concluded battle, .... He acknowledged the ongoing controversy
    between behaviorists and linguists who argue animals do not possess
    language. "One puzzle we have is that even though we humans rely on
    imitating sounds for the development of language and music, no other non-
    human primate seems to do this," Tyack said. "But we know parrots and
    dolphins imitate sounds very well. ... The habits of chimpanzees may even
    hold lessons for humans, ... After fighting, female chimps seem to hold
    grudges, while males make peace quickly with a variety of postures and
    gestures that might form the basis of therapy for young people who are
    prone to violence, Long said. ... [I am reminded here of what behavioural
    scientists William Fix said: "if anyone is wasting his time, it is those
    researchers who believe we are going to learn more about man by watching
    chimpanzees than by studying the words of the ancients." (Fix W.R., "The
    Bone Peddlers, 1984, p.309)]
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    "CHARLES ROBERT DARWIN stands among the giants of Western
    thought because he convinced a majority of his peers that all of life shares a
    single, if complex, history. He taught us that we can understand life's
    history in purely naturalistic terms, without recourse to the supernatural or
    divine." (Eldredge N., "Time Frames: The Rethinking of Darwinian
    Evolution and the Theory of Punctuated Equilibria," Simon & Schuster:
    New York NY, 1985, p.13)
    Stephen E. Jones | sejones@iinet.net.au | http://www.iinet.net.au/~sejones
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