Reflectorites
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:52:45 -0500, Susan Brassfield wrote:
[...]
>SJ>No. If Tedd claims that I have made an out-of-context quote, he should be
>>able to state objectively what the context is and why my quote does not fit
>>it.
>>
>>If I am wrong I will admit it and thank Tedd. I have no desire, or need, to
>>post out-of-context quotes.
SB>But I've already done that in this thread:
>http://www.calvin.edu/archive/evolution/199911/0210.html
We fully debated that at the time. Susan was simply wrong. The words I
omitted with ellipses were not relevant to the particular argument I was
making. I said at the time I would be happy to reinsert the omitted words
and debate the point, but Susan declined.
SB>you eventually admitted you didn't pick up an edited quote from the web or
>"The Little Creationist Quote Book" but edited the quote yourself.
Susan is wrong here too with her "eventually admitted" implication that I had
claimed that I had not edited the quote myself, but copied it from a creationist
web site.
I never made such a claim in the first place, so there was nothing to admit.
*All* the quotes I post are my own work, scanned off books and articles I
have (or had) in my posession. And I take *full* responsibility for the quote if
I post it.
>SJ>Besides, it is *Tedd* who is playing this "out-of-context" quote "game", in
>>order that we cannot get around to discussing "details, issues and evidence
>>and actually defending arguments raised...".
SB>none of us who debate you have any confidence in your quotes. They are too
>often obviously out of context and quite dishonest.
[...]
I am getting a bit tired of Susan's "lie" and "dishonest" ad hominems as a
substitute for rational arguments. It is a complete waste of everybody's time
me defending myself from such `shoot the messenger' attacks. Since Susan
continues doing this, I have now inserted a filter in my emailer to delete
anything from Susan also unread.
I note that Mike B. Gene has also unsubscribed from the Reflector. I
don't blame him. In fact I am considering doing the same in order to
concentrate on my studies, a book I am writing, my web page, and
the other List I am on.
Personally I think that the Moderator should immediately enforce a
minimum standard of debating etiquette, e.g. ad hominems like "lie"
and "dishonest" not be tolerated.
Otherwise, if all the posting creationists and anti-evolutionists continue
to leave this Reflector, then it will just be a debate between theistic vs
atheistic evolutionists.
In that case, I doubt that there would be much to debate about and
the Reflector would probably just die.
Steve
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