Re: On Believing Things Because they are Printed in Books

Jason Bode (jason_bode@hotmail.com)
Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:27:19 PDT

> >SJ
>>>And even if the Christian does say "The Bible says it, I believe >>>it.
>>>Period" what is wrong with that?
> >
> >Chris
> >You mean, aside from the fact that it's unbelievably stupid?
> >
> >SJ
> >>The vast majority of Christians haven't got the
> >>ability or training to decide what in the Bible should be accepted and
> >>what rejected. In those circumstances, the soundest approach, in the
>first
> >>instance, is to accept it all on face value, and then work at increasing
> >one's
> >>understanding and resolving difficulties. This is in fact analogous to
>what
> >>scientists do.
> >
> >Chris
> >No. The soundest approach is not to accept ANY of it initially that one
>does
> >not already have good reason to believe, and then incrementally accept
>any
> >of the rest of it that stands up to criticism. THIS is in fact analogous
>to
> >what scientists do.
[snip]

>Jason was talking about the Bible, but I was trying to point
>out the GENERAL stupidity of taking a book as THE TRUTH in the way he >was
>suggesting: "The Bible says it, I believe it. Period"

>Jason was INVERTING the proper basic relation to books and to intellectual
>authority in general. One should not START by believing everything they
>say,
>properly interpreted or not. One should start by NOT believing anything
>they
>say that you don't already have good reason to believe, and then
>judiciously
>adding on to what you believe those items in the book that stand up to
>critical tests (whether empirical or logical).

Chris:

Careful who you implicate. That wasn't me. Check whose initials are up above
by the post you responded to. Those statements applied to how I actually
approach my faith render your talk nonsensical babble. ;) I DO believe the
Bible, but I don't like blind belief.

>... By inverting this principle, Jason was saying, in effect,
>"Believe everything your favorite book says, and then concern >yourself
>with truth, proof, and reality later." I should think the >stupidity of
>this approach to life would be obvious, REGARDLESS of >what book was
>involved. Was it not so obvious?

Again, I didn't say that. But I have a question for you. Earlier you said
something to the effect of "the Bible is full of contradictions". I've asked
Susan to point some out before, and now I ask you. What are some examples? I
haven't found the Bible contradictory at all, and I've read it all my life
(of course, that's a lot shorter period of time than many of you on this
list) :)

Cya,

Jason

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