A Note on Validation as a Broader Concept than that of Proof.

Chris Cogan (ccogan@sfo.com)
Sun, 6 Jun 1999 07:28:26 -0700

>Hi Chris,
>
>snip>
>Bertvan
>>> No one is going to "prove" any philosophy.
>
>Chris
>Again, the quotes make it seem that you do not mean proof in a literal
>sense. But, I will assume, for the sake of this remark, that you DO mean it
>literally. Since this is a philosophical claim, I'm wondering if you can
>prove it. If you can, then you ARE proving (part of) a philosophy. If you
>can't, then why should we take it seriously?
>
>Obviously, not EVERYTHING in a philosophy can be proved, though this does
>not mean that not everything can be VALIDATED.
>
> Bertvan:
>Hi Chris,
>I'm wondering if you can prove THAT? (That some things in philosophy can
be
>VALIDATED)
>It seems to me much of what we are all doing is quibbling over definitions,
>claiming a philosophical position can't be proved but it can be VALIDATED.
>Validated in whose eyes? In the eyes of whoever is advocating it, I
imagine.
> We can both think of beliefs so widely accepted, that it would be easy to
>argue that they have been VALIDATED. Is that what you mean? Would you
>consider a philosophical position VALIDATED when it is held by a numerical
>majority? I say philosophical positions can not be proved, and I can't
prove
>that. I have no desire to try. It is merely my philosophical position.

Ah, an arbitrary assertion. We don't get NEARLY enough of those around here.
:-)

By "validated," I mean established by cognitive means other than conceptual
argument from premises. Validation is a broader concept, and applies to
basic conceptual identification of perceptual entities, for example. We
can't prove, in a formal sense, that we are in pain when we drop a rock on
our foot, but WE know, and can validate the claim that we are in pain by
direct experience. If we limit beliefs to those that can be proved via the
mode of formal arguments, we can't get anywhere because we can never
establish any premises. But, like proof, validation has standards, which is
one reason why there are so many disagreements among witnesses as to what
happened in auto accidents, etc.; people's standards differ (as well as do
their abilities with respect to actually perceving what is going on). The
point of my claim is that there are some premises that cannot be proved but
that can be validated objectively, and then used to prove other things. One
such is that one exists. You cannot prove, in a premise-conclusion sense,
that you exist, but you can provide others with evidence of your existence
that validates the idea that you do exist, and, of course, you have plenty
of evidence to validate it for yourself. You can't PROVE to yourself that
you exist because you have already assumed that you exist in the very act of
wondering whether you can prove it. Thus all such attempted proofs would be
circular. But, since you can't, even in principle, prove that you exist,
does that mean that you don't, or that you don't know that you do? No.