Re: [asa] health care

But population growth is a natural occurrence. And so is death. Where
the discussion of choices with respect to death and dying intersect with
widespread traditional Christian understandings that are expressed as
"the sanctity of life", there is a very strong tension, and something's
gotta give. Preserving every life to the maximum extent possible would
appear to be financially catastrophic, if not unacceptable to many. So
some choices will have to be made, even within the Christian community.
It would be nice if the Christian community would do something more
rational than defaulting to family decisions, uninformed and unsupported
by some semblance of community consensus.

And it would seem to me that a default to "it's not appropriate to
discuss that here" will not cut it. Should there be no reconsideration
at all about the scientific insights into the beginnings and endings of
life that might prepare us for this dilemma approaching at avalanche
speed? Again, something has to change, and it is not going to be the
one driven by fundamentals of nature.

And, I don't think it's totally about morals and ethics uninformed by
the best science of the day.

Or so it seemeth to me. JimA [Friend of ASA]

Nucacids wrote:
> Hi Jack,
>
>
>
> "Discussions on how health care is delievered is interesting, but more
> political than moral or scientific. But there is no question that
> resources
> used in providing health care are limited. I would like to see a
> discussion on who deserves to get what and at what time, and who decides
> this?"
>
>
>
> If the discussion is about who deserves to get what and at what time,
> and who decides
> this, it is necessarily a political discussion. Science cannot answer
> these questions.
>
> And since we live in cultures where moral assumptions and positions
> are not universally
>
> shared, there is nothing left but politics.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <drsyme@verizon.net>
> To: "Terry M. Gray" <grayt@lamar.colostate.edu>;
> "AmericanScientificAffiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [asa] health care
>
>
>> If you want to have a discussion on this topic that is relevant to our
>> purpose here why dont we discuss the issue of what amount of health
>> care is
>> everyone entiltled too?
>>
>> Discussions on how health care is delievered is interesting, but more
>> political than moral or scientific. But there is no question that
>> resources
>> used in providing health care are limited. I would like to see a
>> discussion on who deserves to get what and at what time, and who decides
>> this?
>>
>> To give a more specific example, we spend an inordinate amount of
>> money in
>> the last month of a persons life. Is this the best way, most
>> efficient way,
>> the fairest way to distribute health care?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry M. Gray"
>> <grayt@lamar.colostate.edu>
>> To: "AmericanScientificAffiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [asa] health care
>>
>>
>>> Not even close.....
>>>
>>> But we're a patient lot here. Most of the responses heretofore are
>>> proof
>>> that it's "off topic". But if we can control ourselves and connect it
>>> with faith/science matters (and we're not talking faith OR science
>>> here)
>>> then we can keep talking.
>>>
>>> TG
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>>> This thread is not even close to being on topic is it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sep 24, 2009 05:39:07 PM, michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Thank goodness we have the National Health Service for all its faults.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "John Burgeson (ASA member)" <hossradbourne@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "asa" <asa@calvin.edu>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:50 PM
>>>> Subject: [asa] health care
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > In eight US states and Washington, D.C., insurance companies are
>>>> > legally allowed to deny health insurance coverage to victims of
>>>> > domestic abuse, treating it essentially, if not literally, as a
>>>> > pre-existing condition.
>>>> >
>>>> > Which is one practice of the insurance companies I hope will be
>>>> stopped
>>>> >
>>>> > Great short clip about Health Care Reform!
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwRAIdVdVS4&feature=related
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Burgy
>>>> >
>>>> > www.burgy.50megs.com
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