Re: [asa] (bubble generators outside of time?) Meyer on C-SPAN2

In that case, Bernie, then all talk of multiverses are supernatural
speculations - since anything beyond our universe (and certainly 'outside of
time') has typically been called such, before it was necessary to turn to
such ideas to potentially account for the Big Bang/Fine-tuning. Ergo, a
multiverse generator is supernatural. Indeed, why not go the whole nine
yards and - since we're now imagining an entity capable of 'creating
universes' - outright speculate that what we're talking about may actually
BE God. Complete with omnipotence, omniscience, etc.

Good for the gander, indeed.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>wrote:

> “…but anything that changes is in some kind of time.”
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> Then that means that God is in time before the big bang, with which you
> would disagree.
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> This is because God changed before the big-bang. There was a ‘time’ when
> the big-bang didn’t yet happen (since time began with the big bang). And
> another time prior to the big-bang in which God set-off the big bang. This
> is a change in God (doing something) outside the creation of our time zone,
> yet he is supposed to be outside of time. If the multiverse generator can
> be in a different time zone, then I guess likewise God could also be.
> What’s good for the goose is good for the gander- goose being multiverse and
> gander being God. If God is beyond time, then maybe also the multiverse
> generator is likewise.
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> …Bernie
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> *From:* dfsiemensjr [mailto:dfsiemensjr@juno.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 12:54 PM
> *To:* Dehler, Bernie
> *Cc:* asa@calvin.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [asa] (bubble generators outside of time?) Meyer on C-SPAN2
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> Bernie,
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> The bubble may not be in our universe's time, since they are not connected
> so that one can move between them, but anything that changes is in some kind
> of time. So every universe that makes up the multiverse is in its own time.
>
> Dave (ASA)
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> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:30:17 -0700 "Dehler, Bernie" <
> bernie.dehler@intel.com> writes:
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> Dave said:
> “As I understand it, the "bubble maker" may be a different kind of stuff
> than our universe is made of, but is changing and so must be temporal.”
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> In order for the bubble generator to be “temporal” it would have to be in
> time, but we just said it is outside of time since time (at least “our time”
> or “time as we know it”) is an emergent property of this universe… of this
> universe’s big bang. The time (that we know of and experience) did not
> exist prior to the big-bang. Correct?
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> …Bernie
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