RE: [asa] Darwin only biological evolution? (can anything exist without evolution?)

Ian said:
" Explain to me, step-by-step, how Beethoven's Symphony No 9 is supposed
to have evolved."

Beethoven learned how to play the musical instrument- getting better and better as time progressed. I'm not familiar with his music, but if you study it carefully, I'm sure you'll see components of similar music that has been played before by himself and others. The musical instrument itself also evolved to the point to where he could use it- the piano didn't just get invented by someone who knew nothing about music- and it wasn't invented by fiat by God.

This doesn't mean that Beethoven wasn't creative and didn't invent something new. In "memes" the mind creates new ideas and thoughts, and combines them with old, for something better. Did Beethoven know about music theory before his masterpiece? Obviously.

Every meme system (financial, educational, technical, etc.) depends on new thoughts. That's what the brain does- makes new thoughts- just like the heart pumps blood or the lungs oxygenate blood. Dawkins limit the brain's new ideas to naturalism only, but I think God could also provide inspiration, which I don't see how it could be proven/disproven either way. I agree religion has a main meme component- that's why there's so many religions (I don't think Satan should be solely blamed for creating all the false religions and even false ideas within Christianity... for example, is YEC (for YEC rejectors) a bad meme or is it of Satan?)

...Bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: Iain Strachan [mailto:igd.strachan@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:50 AM
To: Dehler, Bernie
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Darwin only biological evolution? (can anything exist without evolution?)

>
> I don't think there are any examples what-so-ever of anything that has not
> evolved. If you can think of just one, give an example, and I think I can
> explain to you how it evolved.
>
>

Explain to me, step-by-step, how Beethoven's Symphony No 9 is supposed
to have evolved.

Iain

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