RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs

" Those who take Genesis literally ought to be the least of our worries. We have a presidential candidate who professes to be a Christian, nonetheless, he said in a TV interview, "My Muslim Faith.""

Wow- another gaffe by McCain. Thanks for the anecdote! That is strange. I'm glad I voted for Obama! ;-)

...Bernie

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Alexanian, Moorad
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:06 AM
To: George Cooper; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs

"Coope,"

We are inundated with people who profess the Christian faith and are doing all sorts of damage by bearing a false witness and so driving people away from the Lord. Those who take Genesis literally ought to be the least of our worries. We have a presidential candidate who professes to be a Christian, nonetheless, he said in a TV interview, "My Muslim Faith." The anchor George Stephanopoulos of ABC subsequently corrected him. I ask you, what Christian would ever say that, even by mistake? Imagine the damage to the Christian faith if such a person becomes president.

Moorad

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of George Cooper
Sent: Fri 10/24/2008 6:07 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs

Moorad said," I am not sure what are you trying to convince this gentleman
of. Is there an obstacle for this gentleman to seek God's kingdom and His
righteousness, which you are trying to remove?"

Your focus is wise, but I struggle with this issue.

In this case, it seems that Dennis' friends are the ones trying to convince
him, since he said he is the rod (not the lightning). Yes, there is an
obstacle. The issue is not some sidebar to the Roman Road, such as the age
of the Earth, it is how far Christians (mostly "good" ones, too) are willing
to push the Bible into the land of Silly. The sillier people make Genesis
look, the sillier the Bible looks, and the sillier our faith appears to
unbelievers. If the Bible is unreasonable or irrational, then we have a
problem.

"Coope"
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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Dennis Venema
Sent: Fri 10/24/2008 5:00 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs

I seem to be something of a lightning rod for YECs in my local church
sphere. At present I am discussing these issues with a gentleman from my
congregation, but I am not making much progress in having him try to
understand my point of view. We can't even get past the age-of-the-earth
issue. He is not interested in looking at any evidence, either.

I am interested in what advice folks might have - I am especially interested
in hearing from those of you who used to be YECs but now accept an old
earth. What was useful to you as you made the transition?

Thanks, all.

Dennis

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