Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs

Isn't one supposed to "turn the other cheek"? Even to Michael?

That's my four today.

Iain

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu> wrote:
> My post is commensurate to the insults I received. For your info, read the following, which I ascribe to and to no more. In fact, I am not a Seventh-day Adventist but an Apostolic Armenian,
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> http://origins.swau.edu/mission/default.html <http://origins.swau.edu/mission/default.html>
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> Our Mission Statement
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> The Earth History Research Center is a non-profit, non-sectarian organization of active scientists. Our mission is to develop a scientifically credible view of earth history consistent with scripture, to conduct scientific research related to this goal and to promote our view through publication and education.
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> Please, tell me where you see anything about the age of the earth or universe in that mission statement.
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> From: Iain Strachan [mailto:igd.strachan@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sat 10/25/2008 8:16 AM
> To: Alexanian, Moorad
> Cc: Michael Roberts; asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
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> How ironic that not two hours after I posted a comment about the
> unhelpful nature of "ad hominem" attacks, that you should post one of
> the worst and most insulting ones I have ever seen. Boasting about
> the length of your publication list and accusing your opponent of
> being a "two-bit" scientist doesn't match up to my idea of a civilised
> debate.
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> And despite your protestations of how distinguished a physicist you
> are (I don't doubt that), it would certainly appear that the Earth
> History Research Center is advocating a YEC position.
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> Iain
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> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu> wrote:
>> If you are not feeble-minded, would you kindly read the papers that appear in my CV http://origins.swau.edu/who/moorad/cmoorad98.html <http://origins.swau.edu/who/moorad/cmoorad98.html> . After you do that, you will have to shut your face and prove that you are nothing perhaps but a two-bit scientist, if not a two-bit charlatan.
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>> Moorad
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>> From: Michael Roberts [mailto:michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk]
>> Sent: Sat 10/25/2008 3:03 AM
>> To: Alexanian, Moorad; asa@calvin.edu
>> Subject: Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
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>> I refer to the website of the Earth History Research Center.
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>> I rest my case
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>> Michael
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
>> To: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>; "George Cooper"
>> <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>; <asa@calvin.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:54 PM
>> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
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>> Michael, show me anything I have written or said that agrees with your
>> statement that I am a YEC. You will find none. That is your problem; you
>> assume erroneously and so conclude foolishly.
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>> Moorad
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>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Michael Roberts
>> Sent: Fri 10/24/2008 6:23 PM
>> To: George Cooper; asa@calvin.edu
>> Subject: Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
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>> As Moorad is a YEc he is hardly liable to see YEC as a stumbling block -
>> which of course it is.
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>> I like your land of Silly but the main road out leads to the slough of
>> despond (and doubt)
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>> Michael
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "George Cooper" <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <asa@calvin.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
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>>> Moorad said," I am not sure what are you trying to convince this gentleman
>>> of. Is there an obstacle for this gentleman to seek God's kingdom and His
>>> righteousness, which you are trying to remove?"
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>>> Your focus is wise, but I struggle with this issue.
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>>> In this case, it seems that Dennis' friends are the ones trying to
>>> convince
>>> him, since he said he is the rod (not the lightning). Yes, there is an
>>> obstacle. The issue is not some sidebar to the Roman Road, such as the age
>>> of the Earth, it is how far Christians (mostly "good" ones, too) are
>>> willing
>>> to push the Bible into the land of Silly. The sillier people make Genesis
>>> look, the sillier the Bible looks, and the sillier our faith appears to
>>> unbelievers. If the Bible is unreasonable or irrational, then we have a
>>> problem.
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>>> "Coope"
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>>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Dennis Venema
>>> Sent: Fri 10/24/2008 5:00 PM
>>> To: asa@calvin.edu
>>> Subject: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs
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>>> I seem to be something of a lightning rod for YECs in my local church
>>> sphere. At present I am discussing these issues with a gentleman from my
>>> congregation, but I am not making much progress in having him try to
>>> understand my point of view. We can't even get past the age-of-the-earth
>>> issue. He is not interested in looking at any evidence, either.
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>>> I am interested in what advice folks might have - I am especially
>>> interested
>>> in hearing from those of you who used to be YECs but now accept an old
>>> earth. What was useful to you as you made the transition?
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>>> Thanks, all.
>>>
>>> Dennis
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