RE: [asa] EU proposed regulation of creationism and ID

Certainly, there are mathematical models that are used to describe the
time development of the very early universe. I have published works on
the very early universe using such models. Of course, what laws are
thought to be necessary is part of the question itself. You fill in the
blanks what you mean by laws. You must remember that a Theory of
Everything is a concept that comes from physicists, which deals with
physical models, not philosophers. Of course, the latter by now may have
adopted the term.

Moorad

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> > Behalf Of Alexanian, Moorad
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> > To: Michael Roberts; asa@calvin.edu
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> > I give an approximate value of the age of the universe and you
> > send me (in private) a closer, more acceptable value. Had I given
> > that more acceptable value, you would have added an additional
> > decimal place to correct me irrationally. You two (PvM & Michael)
> > are being nonsensically absurd. Answer the question I asked:
> >
> >
> >
> > >"Suppose the universe began with a Big Bang. We know now more or
> > >less the present state of the universe and that of life on earth.
> > >How did all come about from that beginning to the present? What
> > >laws do you use to make the connection between the beginning and
> > >the present state of all that there is."
> >
> >
> >
> > > Moorad
>
> >Are you wanting a Theory of Everything?

> I do not know if the answer to such a question is a Theory of
Everything
> (TOE). First, one must establish what a TOE is. Is it a purely
physical
> theory like theories in physics? Secondly, there is the question of
the
> initial conditions and their origin, which are clearly beyond the TOE.
> Remember that humans who have free will set up initial conditions in
the
> LAB. Who or what selects the initial conditions of the universe. There
> are clever scientists who are trying to get away from having to deal
> with initial conditions. However, I believe that is inescapable.
>
> Moorad
>
>

If a ToE does not answer, "What laws do you use to make the connection
between the beginning and
the present state of all that there is." then you lost me. Or are you
not
really asking a question but rather making some kind of statement with a
rhetorical question? Maybe it would behoove you to define "Laws."
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