Re: [asa] EU proposed regulation of creationism and ID

Looks to me as though I've found the hatred, and it isn't in the council
document.
Dave (ASA)

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:09:27 -0400 "John Walley" <john_walley@yahoo.com>
writes:
>
> Granted these guidelines may not have turned out to be as nefarious
> as the
> first alarmist reports indicated, but I think it is naïve to assume
> that the
> trend of reducing the wonder and awe of our observable universe down
> to only
> natural causes is so innocent.
>
> I think the earlier observation that a lot of these alarmist
> reactions are
> "really complaints about not being able to exercise dominant
> cultural and
> political power like the church once did" is relevant and valid, and
> I think
> it helps pinpoint some of the disconnect on this list between TE and
> ID.
>
> I think ID is correct in recognizing that the power vacuum created
> by the
> church losing its influence in society is largely being filled by a
> competing atheistic philosophy. Granted the way to counter this is
> not
> misrepresenting philosophy as science, but ID is at least right in
> recognizing the growing threat of this ascendancy of atheism in our
> culture.
>
> Sometimes I get the impression here that if only all the
> creationists and
> IDer's would get their science right and apologize for all the
> confusion and
> harm they have caused over the years, then all the conflict between
> science
> and faith would vanish and we would all live happily ever after.
> There is a
> double standard in putting the onus of this problem solely on the
> likes of
> Denyse and Behe but Dawkins and PZ Myers get passes.
>
> I think the downside of this oversimplistic view of the world is
> that
> obsessed ID bashing TE's run the risk of being used by the atheists
> like
> Stalin used his domestic communist sympathizers during the cold war.
>
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On
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> Subject: Re: [asa] EU proposed regulation of creationism and ID
>
>
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:37:26 -0400 "John Walley"
> <john_walley@yahoo.com>
> writes:
> > Nevermind the document. When Jesus said that since the world hated
>
> > Him, it
> > would hate us too, is that the product of imagination?
> >
> > John
> >
> When you specify the explicit part of the statement that expresses
> hatred, you'll have a point. Until then, you have a vivid
> imagination.
> Dave (ASA)
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