Re: [asa] Organic farming article

Janice,

See responses below...

In Christ,
Christine

--- Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net> wrote:

> At 08:53 AM 9/18/2007, Christine Smith wrote:
> >I found this article very interesting :)
> >
> >http://www.enn.com/lifestyle/article/2314

> [snip]
>
>
> @ As soon as I heard the news that a certain brand
> of spinach was
> being recalled because it was contaminated by
> e-coli, I told all my
> friends that I'd bet them $100, that the spinach was
> from an "organic" farm.
>
> Sure enough.

Please describe how this is relevant to the points I
raised and/or the content of the article. If you are
attempting to show by this example that organic farms
are inherently less safe/healthy, please show how the
underlying organic practices undermine health & safety
and why it is that there have been many other recalls
from farms which do not practice "organic" farming.
>
> About every 20-25 years the fashion industry
> recycles styles that are
> "new" to the younger generation. Currently, the
> ugly 60's and 70's
> styles are back in vogue.

I'm not a fan of fashion from the 60's and 70's
either, but I don't believe this is relevant to the
discussion at hand.
>
> Unfortunately, fashions aren't the only thing that
> is "recycled" ever
> 25 years or so.
 Today, the SAME "global-cooling"
> eco-whackos are
> back at it - only this time their tack is "global
> warming". Go back
> and read all the "environmentalist" literature from
> the 60's and 70's
> and you will see that what you are reading today is
> the same ugly
> garbage being recycled almost word for word - by the
> SAME people (in
> politics, science and religion).

Please describe how global climate change relates to
the article I posted regarding one family's
theological understanding of organic farming
practices.

"Eco-whackos" may be considered derrogatory. Last I
checked, name-calling is not a Christian virtue.

Please define what "environmentalist" literature you
are referring to.

Please substantiate your claim that the same people
(by name) which came up with the "global cooling"
hypothesis are the same as those from which the
"global warming" or "global climate change" theory
originated from.

Please define what you mean by the subjective term
"ugly garbage". Also, "ugly garbage" may be perceived
as derrogatory. Last I checked, treating the work
(presumably, the writings of the "garbage" the person
is reading) of others with contempt is not a Christian
virtue.

>
> Fundamentalist religious kooks (environmentalist
> extremists, ALL) are
> able to regain a certain short-lived influence over
> society because a
> new generation has been born who haven't yet been
> burned by their
> hysterical "crisis" fear-mongering of one sort or
> another, and become
> disillusioned.

Please describe how this relates to the article I
posted.

"Fundamentalist religious kooks" may be considered
derrogatory. Last I checked, name-calling is not a
Christian virtue.

"Environmental extremists, ALL" is a generalization.
Please provide evidence that such a generalization is
warranted.

Please define what you mean by the subjective term
"hysterical 'crisis' fear-mongering". Please provide
evidence that this has preferentially influenced the
"new generation" relative to the "old generation".
Please define what you mean by "new generation.

Please provide evidence that some of the "old
generation" have become disallusioned because of the
"hysterial 'crisis' fear-mongering" and/or that those
of the "new generation" will become disallusioned as a
result of this "hysterial 'crisis' fear-mongering".

>
> The ones that HAVE been burned by them are the ones
> who are
> countering these 60's re-treads now. It's the old,
> "fool me once,
> shame on you - fool me twice shame on me" in action.
>
Please describe how this relates to the article I
posted.

Please substantiate the claim that the "old
generation" is countering what you term the "60's
re-treads".

Yes, it's a lovely addage you quote. Please
substantiate the claim that this addage is "in
action".

> Those who are falling for the re-tread's eco-whacko
> BS are going to
> get burned - and when they realize that they fell
> for "end-time
> prophecies" that didn't come to pass - some of them
> will be in the
> trenches against the next crop of "true-believers"
> 20-30 years from now.
>
Please describe how this relates to the article I
posted.

"Eco-whacko" may be considered derrogatory. Last I
checked, name-calling is not a Christian virtue.

Please identify the "end-time prophecies" you are
referring to, and why you presume these will not come
to pass.

Please describe the basis upon which you presume that
the "true believers" will be not be so in the future,
but rather they will be "in the trenches" against
others 20-30 years from now.

"Trenches" has a war-like connotation. Please describe
why you see this discussion in terms of war and what
role you see for Christians to be "peace-makers" in
this context.

> There's NOTHING new under the sun... and for EVERY
> naive sucker born
> every minute there are TWO cynical demagogues /
> grifters in politics,
> religion and science to take him for a ride.

Please describe how this relates to the article I
posted.

I'm glad to see that you are quoting Scripture. Please
describe how it relates to other portions of your
comments.

"Naive sucker" may be considered derrogatory. Last I
checked name-calling is not a Christian virtue.

Please define what you mean by "cynical demagogues".
Please substantiate the claim that for every one type
of person born their are two others who will "take him
for a ride".

> It is denounced by Jesus Christ, but laying guilt
> trips on people to
> control behavior was always an effective tactic of
> _legalists_ (eg:
> the Pharisees, et.al.) It has been used by tyrants
> of all stripes
> (in families, church organizations and politics) all
> down through history.
>
> Best advice you'll ever get? Here it is: Don't let
> ANYONE ever lay
> a guilt-trip on you. They only do it for one reason
> - to control you.

Please describe how this relates to the article I
posted.

Please quote the Scripture where Jesus denounces
"guilt trips".

Please describe why you feel "guilt trips" are being
used as it relates to the other portions of your
discussion.

Please substantiate the claim that "guilt trips" are
effective in controlling people, and that this is in
fact what is happening as it relates to the other
portions of your comments.

Thank you for your unsolicited advice. As no doubt you
follow Jesus's command to "do unto others what you
would have done unto you", I will return the favor by
giving you some unsolicited advice: Always stand up
for you believe in with integrity; but always do so
respectfully and with an open mind.
>
> ~ Janice .. who used to be into "organic farming"
> BIG TIME before
> she "caught on" to the hype and realized that
> "primitive" belongs to the past.
>

Please describe why you feel "organic farming" is
primitive, what "hype" you are referring to, and why
this "primitive" character necessarily relegates it to
the past.

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Received on Tue Sep 18 14:01:25 2007