Re: [asa] Theological Naturalism - 'The Nature of God' = Naturalism

An excellent post Wendee. This is what George and I are saying in our different ways but some, like Gregory are not listening.

I have read and followed ID for over a decade and got fairly close to them. Sadly if you are not 101% with them you are against them.

I wonder if ID is trying to compete with YEC for the damage they do to Christ's cause.

It is as simple as that.

Michael
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: WENDEE HOLTCAMP
  To: 'Gregory Arago'
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  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [asa] Theological Naturalism - 'The Nature of God' = Naturalism

  Well I've seen stats (the ARIS study - have you seen that) that shows these groups have increased between 1990 and 2001 - evangelical Christians, people with no religion, and nondenominational Christians. This is evidence to me that the divide is indeed widening. I can't definitively show that the cause is ID but I am around many evo biologists and I can assure you that more scientists than ever before are angry and frustrated at Christians - because of ID, which is now not only affecting the public view of evolution and science but even affecting their ability to get funding (Douglas Futuyma).

  http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_studies/aris.pdf

  Wendee

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  From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Gregory Arago
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:28 PM
  To: WENDEE HOLTCAMP
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  Subject: RE: [asa] Theological Naturalism - 'The Nature of God' = Naturalism

  This may be true that the IDM has lost many people from the Christian faith or at least confused them, but at this point it is no more than an unverified belief, a feeling so to speak. I've said for a few years already that ID is a transition theory that will ultimately give way to something more significant. Actually, I don't even think the IDM has stimulated more scientific research, perhaps only in studying the Movement rather than in the natural sciences laboratories. If it had come up with a serious research programme in the past 14 years (since the Pajaro meeting in 1993) then surely we all would have heard about it by now. May your sadness be tempered by hope for the future.

  G.

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