Re: [asa] Empiricism, Faith and Science

Vernon,

You can't extrapolate your conclusion about Genesis 1:1 to all the rest of
Scripture unless you know what constitutes Scripture. Does it apply to a
verse in Ezekiel? Does it apply to a verse in I Maccabees? We have to use
other criteria to determine what is Scripture and what isn't. If you use
numerical patterns to argue for the inspiration of Genesis 1:1, then what
do you use to argue similarly for other verses unless you convince the
skeptic that what you and I accept as the canon is correct?

Gordon Brown
Department of Mathematics
University of Colorado
Boulder, CO 80309-0395

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Vernon Jenkins wrote:

> Gordon,
>
> You ask, "How can the numerical features observed in Genesis 1:1 tell us anything at
> all about any other passages in Hebrew or Greek as you seem to imply?"
>
> The numero-geometrical features strongly displayed in the Bible's first verse are the _unique_ plane trifigurate number, 37 (also a factor of both Name and Title of the Creator, and of 666), and the _coordinated geometries_ involving symbolically-potent _equilateral triangles_ - in particular, 666 - the epitome of triangularity; this occurring in _triplicate_ inset in a triangular outline of 6x6x6. With such a coincidence of significant biblical and extra-biblical elements occurring in the opening 7 Hebrew words one might well ask whether any further proof of the divine inspiration of the J-C Scriptures is needed.
>
> I believe we can come to one or other of two reasonable conclusions with regard to these phenomena. It might well be that the Lord has thought fit to underscore just _some_ important verses/names in this manner. On the other hand, possibly the whole of the numerical ground makes divine sense - but we, in our present state of understanding, are only able to comprehend certain of the simpler mathematical structures; yet, enough to draw the appropriate conclusons.
>
> Gordon, I trust we can agree that Genesis 1:1 is neither 'miracle of chance' nor 'masterpiece of human endeavour', but a clear demonstration of non-biological intelligent design!
>
> Regards,
>
> Vernon
> www.otherbiblecode.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gordon brown" <gbrown@euclid.colorado.edu>
> To: "Vernon Jenkins" <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>
> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [asa] Empiricism, Faith and Science
>
>
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Vernon Jenkins wrote:
> >
> >> I observe that forum members are apt to say this kind of thing from time to time - but the fact is that the claim is manifestly untrue! Better than any 'controlled experiment' - as David suggests - is an examination of the historical records: in this case, the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures which form the basis of all Bible translations. A potentially significant feature of these writings is that they may also be fairly read as _sets of numbers_; in other words, stripped of their literal/interpreted meaning they rest, ultimately, on a solid numerical _ground_. And while it may be supposed that such a ground must, in itself, be devoid of all meaning, a cursory examination of the 7 Hebrew words of the Bible's opening verse suffices to prove otherwise - its representative numbers and their combinations being observed to make a great deal of numero-geometrical sense! Indeed, such is the richness of these 'pyrotechnics' that Genesis 1:1 - already a powerful and strategicall!
 y-p!
> > laced assertion, and most widely read sentence of all time - must be rated _the most remarkable combination of words ever written_! [Details provided here: http://homepage.virgin.net/tgvernon.jenkins/Wonders.htm]
> >
> > Vernon,
> >
> > How can the numerical features observed in Genesis 1:1 tell us anything at
> > all about any other passages in Hebrew or Greek as you seem to imply?
> >
> > Gordon Brown
> > Department of Mathematics
> > University of Colorado
> > Boulder, CO 80309-0395
> >
> >
> >
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