Re: [asa] grand canyon layers: was The apostle warns of evolution

Did you see the fossil conifer forests in the Precambrian? I have to admit
that I failed to see them, or the mudflows which brought them from afar.

As for there not being Grand Canyons in other parts of the world could not
this be due to the special place America was to have in the providence of
God?

I also find the comparisons of the mini-canyons on Mt st Helens promulgated
by Steve Austin aka Stuart Nevins specious in the extreme.

Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Schneider" <rjschn39@bellsouth.net>
To: "Brent Foster" <bdffoster@charter.net>; <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] grand canyon layers: was The apostle warns of evolution

> I'm sure that I am one of many of you who have hiked into the Grand
> Canyon. I went down the Kaibab Trail from the South Rim and hiked back up
> on the Bright Angel Trail. Standing at the oasis at Indian Garden and
> looking up at what appeared then to be a sheer wall that five miles of
> switchbacks made hikeable, I could never imagine that cut made by rapid
> erosion.
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brent Foster" <bdffoster@charter.net>
> To: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [asa] grand canyon layers: was The apostle warns of evolution
>
>
>> This is true, and I think just as ridiculous as the rapid deposition is
>> the rapid erosion that YECs propose for the Grand Canyon. To make rapid
>> erosion even conceivable YECs suggest that it occurred in soft sediment,
>> which it certainly would be if freshly deposited. But the striking thing
>> about Grand Canyon is its stair-stepping topography with cliffs hundreds
>> of feet high in the resistant sandstones and gentle slopes on the easily
>> eroded shales. But that is the exact OPPOSITE of what would occur in soft
>> sediment. Any construction worker knows you can't dig a 3 foot trench in
>> wet sand and have it stand up for 5 minutes, much less hold up a 200 foot
>> face for 5000 years. Sand has no cohesion. Moist clay, on the other hand
>> has lots of cohesion and will support a vertical face of modest hight for
>> a short time.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>> ---- Charles Carrigan <CCarriga@olivet.edu> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> To this geologist it is mind-boggling how creationists can state "it is
>> obvious these layers were laid down catastrophically, not slowly. But
>> evolutionists deliberately choose to ignore the obvious..."
>>
>> It is in fact the creationist geologists who completely ignore the
>> obvious evidence of the rock layers in the Grand Canyon. Watching S.
>> Austin, K. Wise, et al. in their old video on the subject is just
>> painful. They focus on a few completely unimportant details and ignore
>> the obvious evidence in front of them - most ironic part is their
>> comments about the Hermit Shale (or was it the Bright Angel Shale?). How
>> they stand there and look at 50+ meters of shale and at the same time
>> talk about rapid deposition with a straight face is just unfathomable.
>>
>> Your comments Bill about the clear differentiation of layers is
>> completely appropriate.
>>
>> Best,
>> Charles
>>
>>
>> _______________________________
>> Charles W. Carrigan, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor of Geology
>> Olivet Nazarene Univ., Dept. of Physical Sciences
>> One University Ave.
>> Bourbonnais, IL 60914
>> PH: (815) 939-5346
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>>
>> "To a naturalist nothing is indifferent;
>> the humble moss that creeps upon the stone
>> is equally interesting as the lofty pine which so beautifully adorns the
>> valley or the mountain:
>> but to a naturalist who is reading in the face of the rocks the annals of
>> a former world,
>> the mossy covering which obstructs his view,
>> and renders indistinguishable the different species of stone,
>> is no less than a serious subject of regret."
>> - James Hutton
>> _______________________________
>>
>>
>>>>> Bill Hamilton <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com> 9/4/2006 6:57:01 AM >>>
>>
>> AIG writes
>>> An excellent example to illustrate this can be found when you
>>> visit
>>> the Grand Canyon. The park rangers will tell you that the layers
>>> of
>>> rock in the Canyon are the result of slow processes that have been
>>> going on for millions of years.
>>>
>>> But the evidence from the rock layers fits with what the Bible
>>> tells
>>> us concerning the judgment of the Flood. It is obvious these
>>> layers
>>> were laid down catastrophically, not slowly. But evolutionists
>>> deliberately choose to ignore the obvious*why? They have been
>>> blinded
>>> by the god of this world and don't want to submit to the God of
>>> the
>>> Bible!
>>>
>> To my admittedly untrained eye, the rock layers in the Grand Canyon look
>> as
>> though they had been deposited over great periods of time. If they had
>> been
>> deposited in the flood, I don't believe we would see the clear
>> differentiation
>> of successive layers that we see. How the creationists draw this
>> conclusion is
>> beyond me.
>>
>> Bill Hamilton
>> William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
>> 248.652.4148 (home) 248.821.8156 (mobile)
>> "...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31
>>
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